Greenwald's afterthoughts on the debate (watch for the space in the url:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/28/c nnn/index.html

i can't even watch any televised debate anymore, because every fucking pundit and talking head just constantly spouts complete bullshit, total lies...and no one ever calls them on it

five for Greenwald

The real beatdown/knockout is at 9:23. Her response is fluster.

It stands for non-nude. Chet's just upset that Fran Townsend doesn't take it off.

It's not journalism that's dead, it's television and (to a lesser degree) print.

What's left without TV and Print? Just the blogosphere and talk radio. Sorry, but it is dead.

You're just mad because grampa McCain didn't get voted.

Of course I'm mad about McCain losing, but that doesn't take away from the truth about the media's treatment of Obama. The man had absolutely nothing under his belt yet the media treated him like a super hero destined to save liberal America. Now I laugh at the liberal butt-hurt displayed over their buyers remorse. Shoulda gone with Hillary I guess...
At least I know McCain is a man of integrity. For God's sake he turned down an early release from the Hanoi Hilton as not to leave his fellow soldiers behind. And this is after he faced torture.

That was in the late 60s. In the last 40 years since then he has proven that he is willing to comprimise his integrity for a small pile of political hay.

CNN and Fox News has nothing to do with "journalism". They do nothing like investigate or report. They bring people on a show, throw a bunch of quips and commentary-laden questions and have a load of opinions come back from those. That's not journalism.

He was a man of great integrity, at least, until he accepted Sarah Palin as a running mate. He may have displayed sound judgment up to that time, but this was a visibly deteriorating candidate with a pure idiot waiting in the wings to replace him.

That choice alone, plainly chosen as a short-sighted cynical marketing gimmick, disqualified him in many people's minds who otherwise might have voted for him. That's where the tea-party mentality started doing its real corrosive damage to the GOP, and it's still happening today.

Barack had more governmental experience under his belt when he was elected than Lincoln. The accusation that he was an untested novice was a bullshit talking point with no basis in fact.

Wow. I can't believe no-one has called Cena for using "Jon McCain " and "Integrity" in the same sentence.

I disagree, Obama had a LOT under his belt. He had a promise to the banking cartels to pay the ransom when they took the world hostage. He had his neocon foreign policy sensibilities. He had Hilary's healthcare policies to rally against while secretly intending to instate them. He had lots. In spite of all these worst qualities ever, though, he managed to ramrod some GOP butt during the lame duck. Of course, it will never get funded and will be repealed next year, but it was a fun Christmas. In other news, gas went from 2.80 to 3.15 out here this weekend.

I agree though, journalism is stone dead. I think it died in Tower One on 9-11.

John McCain caused deaths on the Forrestal, he was disloyal in Hanoi, and personally crashed or caused irreperable damage to 5 Navy aircraft.
He was a bad pilot that flew into power lines during training, and on another occassion crashed on an unauthorized landing.
He divorced his first wife while she was hospitalized, trading her in for a less-disfigured beauty.
I cannot say that that man is worthy of any modicom of respect.

You guys are still seriously replying to him!

Cena, Cena, Cena, I'm sooooo disappointed. I thought you were enlisting into the Marines or Army for some brown people killing action in Afghanistan, but you mean to tell me you joined the Coast Guard instead? lol wut?

Gas in California has been at .15 for over a year. Piss off.

John McCain had to accept Palin to Cow tow to the Christian Right, but he was still more proven than Obama.
Harmlessman: I wouldn't have voted for Lincoln for his first term. I would have voted for Lincoln's 2nd term because unlike Obama he could actually accomplish stuff and start a war.
O bi-sexual rus: McCain blinked messages in Morse Code while he was making those forced statements for the Vietcong. He was still loyal.
Scrotum: I joined the finest branch of the service. They need the best people because they don't have the money the other branches get. We also take part in operations in Iraq making sure terrorists aren't sneaking weapons.

Cena: You joined which branch? America's finest is and always has been the Marine Corps.
Anyhow, I'll bet you are really glad that soon you'll be able to serve openly as a gay man.

Two things to mention here:

-Cena, every time you change somebody's nickname to something "clever". Well, you are not being clever, or funny.

-Cena at least admits that Obama is handsome. Elections will never, ever, ever be about politics at all. It will always be about bullshit superficial stuff. The right saw a charismatic black man, their best comeback was a milf with the knowledge of a second grader.

Ocyrus: I'm not gay, but I have no problem serving next to gays. The Marines are the finest for their duty, but the Coasties are just as good for theirs. I could have been a Marine, but my calling was with the USCG.

Silly me, wishing you good luck thinking you were joining the Marines. Godammnit, get out of here you semen chugger.

Hey, I didn't know you were back! I was gone for several months. Good to see you!

Also, HA!

The media has done its job, then.

"Yellin, on the other hand, decided to leave it there."

One could say that. One could also say that, given how Jessica Yellin went for Fran Townsend like a badly-beaten wrestler reaching for her tag-team partner*, it was not surprising.


* Was it just me, or does everything about her at that point say "Help me, Fran! This commie pinko is not sticking to the script!"?