Libertarians are just conspiracy theorists/conservatives who read a couple of books beyond the tv guide.

Makes sense to me from the one's I've met.

They're more people who think ad hoc tribal village government can work in societies larger than...tribal villages.

Polio, measles, whooping cough, and hepatitis would like to have a word with you. I'd like them to have a word with you, in fact, along with Jenny McCarthy and Bill Maher.

coughSMALLPOXcough

Now if I can direct your attention to the word "generally"... "Generally" as in we don't generally need these flu vaccines that are being sensationally pushed in the media.

I'm not sure which media you mean, since the US media has definitely been asking if the vaccines are safe over and over in between talking about kids in mylar UFOs, and would in fact have you believe that they were worse than the disease if that scared you into watching more 24 hour "news." They don't bother to quote success rates, they don't acknowledge that flu vaccines weren't invented last week and that there is nothing special about this one other than the strain. They just sit there and ask "is it safe" because at worst they'll get called out for being too "objective." They'd have you believe that it *is* a big deal, but at least they aren't acting like this fucker, who doesn't want to see people get vaccinated *on principle*.

Just because the many Americans who die every year from the REGULAR flu don't seem to warrant news coverage doesn't mean it isn't a big deal. And it doesn't mean that the annual vaccine is pointless.

And just why is it that you think vaccines are "generally" unneeded? Is it because decades of vaccination programs in the major industrial nations brought most of the old, terrifying infectious diseases of your parents and grandparents to their knees?
Funny thing, just because they aren't a big problem in our own countries anymore doesn't mean they aren't around anymore. Some of the old monsters are coming back to us, sometimes in the form of new, resistant strains -- and sometimes just because privileged idiots have decided that vaccines are generally pointless and never bothered to get them*, or, worse, have decided getting vaccinated might be more harmful than talking their families and friends into becoming willing potential vectors for devastating illnesses.
It is only the fact that most of the population continues to be vaccinated, and keeps its immunity, that keeps things like TB, Polio, rabies, & etc from once more becoming the problems they used to be.

I think we are forgetting that fractured (a) is invincible and (b) doesn't give a shit about herd immunity, which affects us those of us with grandmas.

Kudos for the Goodkind reference.

That series was horrible. Why did I read all 11? WHY?

Aw hell, that was supposed to be in reply to fractured up there.

Isn't this doctor a retard?

George Bush was your president at the time man. It's ok.

it's not actually okay