Old_Zircon - 2009-05-01
Very well handled.
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marly - 2009-05-01
I think this was well done. However, I also have no problem with calling Harry Truman a war criminal.
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Caminante Nocturno - 2009-05-01 One of the reasons we used the a-bombs on Japan was to end the war more quickly, thus preventing Russia from moving her army into Japan. Stalin never met a land grab he didn't like, and a mainland invasion into Japan may have, among other things, led a divided Japan. God knows that another Berlin is not what the world needed.
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Cena_mark - 2009-05-01 He wasn't a war criminal. The Japs started that shit and they weren't prepared to finish it. They could have surrendered when we had air bases close to their main islands but they were too hard headed for to do so. That civilian blood is on the hands of their leaders.
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baumer - 2009-05-02 Cena Mark, are you ygurts?
How do you have this kind of stamina?
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Keefu - 2009-05-02 Cena_mark is not anybody but a fat dude from the south.
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Cena_mark - 2009-05-03 Pinder: How is that not a valid argument. The Japs should have surrendered after Okinawa.
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Caminante Nocturno - 2009-05-01
Wow, a guy on TV with humility!
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voodoo_pork - 2009-05-01
I don't know. I think he meant it when he said it, and he shouldn't feel like he has to apologize for what he truly believes. We have this bizarre, idealized, Steven Spielberg view of WWII like we were Gerard Butler and Hitler was a Persian drag queen.
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simon666 - 2009-05-01 Why should we not take his retraction at face value?
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voodoo_pork - 2009-05-02 I've just noticed that WWII has this special aura around it, and any criticisms of how we may or may not have acted during that conflict are often lionized.
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Bort - 2009-05-02 Winston Churchill was one of the greatest heroes ever, we all know. Except of course, he was the first guy in history to recommend gassing the Kurds, back when the British Empire was controlling that part of the world. So the Kurds were every bit as much Churchill's own people as they were Saddam's own people.
When Roosevelt was trying to deal with his allies Stalin and Churchill, he had serious misgivings about Churchill: while Stalin had territorial appetites, they were penny-ante compared to the British Empire that Churchill was such a proponent of. In retrospect we have decided that Churchill was clearly a good guy and Stalin was clearly the bad guy -- but then, we tend to forget that England had proposed a plan to split Eastern Europe with the Soviet Union.
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Cena_mark - 2009-05-01
Now retract all the bad things you said about Bush.
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Cena_mark - 2009-05-01 Name one war crime Bush committed. Calling bush a war criminal is just a liberal rant with no basis.
BTW don't bring up torture, because non uniformed terrorists don't fall under Geneva protections.
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mr666 - 2009-05-02 Plus, Truman at his worst is still way better than Bush at his best.
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simon666 - 2009-05-02 Actually to be fair, Christopher Hitchens argues Iraq effectively gave up its right to sovereignty when it invaded Kuwait, and violated the Genocide convention (Kurds), among other things. That is to say, these are ways in which nation-states lose sovereignty, ways in which Iraq under Sadam behaved.
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Cena_mark - 2009-05-02 Exactly Simon666. And that being Bush's only possible crime he is absolved.
Liberals forget what an asshole President Houssain was. So much they decided to elect another Houssain president.
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simon666 - 2009-05-02 Cena: While using terms like "Liberals" work for you, that is to say classifying or stereotyping a group allows you to make broad swipes which in turn allows your argument appear grand, to most it shows the weakness of the point you are trying to make. It is a 'straw man' argument. You are attacking a false enemy, "Liberals," when you should be attacking specific opinions, and claims of fact being made by the individuals who make up the group "Liberals."
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Cena_mark - 2009-05-02 You're right simon666. You are awesome.
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Lauritz Melchior - 2009-05-02
I wish that more people in the media and in power would be so willing to say that they're wrong.
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azazel - 2009-05-02
I'm glad you're all so verbose in the comments, cause I don't even watch the fucking videos.
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j lzrd / swift idiot - 2009-05-02 Dude, I don't even click on the link to PoE-TV from the front page!
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EvilHomer - 2009-05-04
Seriously, people, seriously?
We're talking about Japan here. We A-bombed Japan. You can't commit war crimes on animals.
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