You sound like you let Tucker Carlson inform your framing, I don’t have anything to say to you beyond start watching Fox News

Stop lol

I know this is a wild concept for a bunch of shitlibs to understand but it's possible to form political opinions without the assistance of a cable news channel or host.

So Crackersmack is bragging that he grew up to be a huge bigot all on his own without any outside influences? Seems dumb, but sure.

Is it bigotry to say that children should not be intentionally exposed to/made to participate in adult sexual fetishes?

Drag can be a lot of things. It may be a fetish to some, but it isn't inherently a fetish thing. Best keep kids away from cartoons and videogames with talking animal characters. That's a fetish for furries. Can't expose kids to that. Lol

Drag is just a variety of theater/performance. It has sexual overtones, but not more so than, say, Lady Gaga et al. It's very much not transvestitism. It's like wrestling but instead of wrestling it's dressing up like a woman. It's almost too camp to be sexual. It's mostly about lip syncing, dancing, sewing, and comedy. Take it from a guy who has watched a shit ton of Drag Race with girlfriends/wife.

All the recent trans idpol stuff on both the left and right is just another front in an unwinnable culture war. This stuff's function is to avoid talking about class. The solution is not to engage, but to talk about healthcare and unions. But we won't do that, so it will be a pretty effective tactic for the right until they move on to some other sort of panic.

Like, it's gay dudes. They're sexually interested in cock and dicks and sweaty hung studs pounding lithe twinks. Dressing up like a woman is not really a sexual thing for the vast majority of them. I'm sure some people get off on drag, but it's very much not the norm.

How do you tell the difference between drag as camp thing and crossdressing as a sexual fetish? You can't as far as I'm concerned. You're taking somebody's word for it.

And I'm not sure it's as cleanly divided into sexual/non-sexual as you are saying it is. Drag is definitely a sexual fetish thing for some people. And the motivation to involve children in any part of any of it is extremely, extremely suspect.

Like even if the motive to bring children to drag events is purely wholesome and without any bad intentions at all, holy shit you gotta be careful with the optics. You have to be incredibly respectful, and transparent, and go out of your way to make it entirely non-sexual and not even open for malicious misinterpretation at all.

But that's not what's being shown to millions of people by Libs Of Tiktok, etc. at all. At fucking all. I'm seeing shit (that is distributed to millions of people on social media) that is legitimately alarming even to somebody that is fucking jaded and cynical as you can be. This is the kind of things that will end up setting us back decades wrt rights.

Ok so it’s libs of Tik tok that is amplifying your Republican rhetoric, they got banned for a little bit, but sure keep looking up to the people that can’t even follow rules

Don't worry about twitter rules and start worrying about what the ostensible 'left' in this country is hitching their wagon to.

I don't see you complaining about child beauty pageants, retard.

Child beauty pageants are sick for exactly the same reasons that child drag shows are. You're not going to find me defending any of this shit.

The issue is that I don't see "the left" coalescing around the idea that it's admirable to bring kids to fucking child beauty pageants. Pretty much everybody thinks those are pedo shit.

So, there's two issues. There's the ethics of drag story time (or whatever) and then there's the optics of it.

As to the ethics of it, while I can see people who haven't been exposed to drag being like wtf, I don't think it's harmful. It's theater. Make sure it's supervised and performers have background checks, just like anything with kids. Again, I can see people being icked by it; I don't think it should be mandatory, but if people want to bring their kids who cares. Seriously watch a season a Drag Race; it's actually pretty asexual.

As to the optics, yeah you're kind of right. It's a great issue for the right. But neither engaging and defending Drag Story Time or whatever, nor capitulating and being like yeah that's bad will have any effect. This is how culture war stuff works. Accepting the right's framing never works, it's like "have you stopped beating your wife?" The problem is that Democrats can't really switch (like Bernie could) to talking healthcare or other concrete policies that improve people's lives. So it'll just be the new gay marriage for as long as people keep getting mad about it.

To put it another way, it's harmless but the left needs to realize that vast swaths of the country and the working class isn't on board with this kind of stuff. Focus on things that build class solidarity, leave the rest to local politics. Issues like this are specifically designed to divide the working class.

The problem I have isn't kids being exposed to Drag Race (or w/e) peripherally, it's the drag events that are intended specifically for children. And the reaction to anybody that questions them, even if purely on optics.

100% agree on this being designed to split the working class. Notice how wages, healthcare, housing, etc etc etc aren't issues anymore? A few years ago we almost formed a political coalition around healthcare that would have been able to force all kinds of concessions. That's what this is about.

You are so sexually aroused by drag queens it's driving you crazy.

Wait I thought that drag was definitely positively not a sexual fetish thing?

It isn't for most people. You're sexualizing clothing like a fucking pervert.

How do you tell the difference between drag as camp thing and crossdressing as a sexual fetish? You can't as far as I'm concerned.

Since you can't tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans, I'm not surprised. Of course the distinction between storytelling and childrape eludes you.

You know, when WOMEN dress like that, it's ALSO a sexual fetish. Children are exposed to sexual fetishes every day, at least to the extent that youre suggesting here.

You teach kids to use their power of consent, and then you supervise them the world. If there's a reason why a drag queen is more likely to abuse children sexually at a public event than a CIS gym teacher, or maybe a priest, please share it with me.

And Did Crackersmack just use the word "woke"? NOT A GOOD SIGN. I don't think he's ever gone quite THERE before.
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Yeah I watched it a couple times to see the SA reference but nothing about bases or stairs...

It's not that the drag participants are more or less likely to abuse children at a public event (or even abuse children at all) it's the fact that at least some of the drag performers are receiving sexual gratification by performing in drag. And like I said above, the motivation to involve children in this should be extremely suspect. Come on now.

Dr Crack-Ebbing seems to be referring to a kind of rarified sexual grafification that doesnt actually involve sex, or abuse, or any kind of behavior not clothing related.

>>>It's not that the drag participants are more or less likely to abuse children at a public event (or even abuse children at all)

>>>Bringing kids to a drag event is child abuse.

It's not that children are being abused, it's just that it's child abuse

The clever thing about this sort of sexual gratification is that, according to Dr. CRACK-EBBING, you can't tell whether it's happening, or if it isn't. It's just that ineffable.

Yes John, knowingly bringing a child to an adult sexual fetish event is child abuse. Not sure how this is so controversial.

How can it be a sexual fetish if it doesn't involve any sexual behavior? I don't understand what sexual gratification without some kind of sexual behavior could possibly look like or feel like. It doesn't correspond to my experience in any way. I've never thought about it before, but really, is sexual gratification different for anyone else? isn't this WHOLE GRATIFICATION NARRATIVE just sexualizing minority behavior THAT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE that anyone has ever done, is relatted to sex in some peripheral way, in order to marginalize it?

Like Teddy bears, Batman cosplay, or a whole lot of other imagination-based activity, drag is a sexual fetish when applied sexually.

>>>And like I said above, the motivation to involve children in this should be extremely suspect.

Are we still talking about story-telling? Cause if the children are being molested, I'm against that.

>>>The problem I have isn't kids being exposed to Drag Race (or w/e) peripherally, it's the drag events that are intended specifically for children.

So children should only be taken to ADULT drag events? Don't stop now Cracky, you've got me right where you want me.

>>>The issue is that I don't see "the left" coalescing around the idea that it's admirable to bring kids to fucking child beauty pageants. Pretty much everybody thinks those are pedo shit.

Everybody in the youtube comments, maybe. Is this is a right wing culture war issue? I don't think it is. Which is kind of weird, now that I think of it.

>>>The problem I have isn't kids being exposed to Drag Race (or w/e) peripherally, it's the drag events that are intended specifically for children. And the reaction to anybody that questions them, even if purely on optics.

That's not what's happening here. You're saying that it's child abuse, and that's what's being questioned. When you talk about child abuse, you're not talking about the optics.

lol you don't have to contort yourself to find some justification to disagree with me, you can just be like 'yeah that's fucked up', the sky won't fall on you

I wish that you could see what I'm doing now, because THATS what sexual gratification looks like!

Bringing kids to a drag event is child abuse. It's making them participate in an adult sexual fetish. This isn't a parental rights issue.

Literally kys, crackhead

sometimes you should trust your gut reaction, like when it is regarding the safety of children

Sometimes I should NOT trust my gut, like when it agrees with YOUR bigoted ass.

Do you ever consider that if someone had taken you to a drag storytime, you might not be such an obvious bigot, trying to protect children from a harm that you can't seem to name or describe, but is derived from a mysterious form of sexual gratification that requires no sexual behavior, or orgasm, or arousal, and you can't tell whether it's happening or not.

To bring children up to fear homosexuality in themselves and others is a definite harm that I can name and describe.

why not bring your kids to a furry convention?

I have no answer for that, because I have no idea what a furry convention entails. I'm perfectly fine with someone dressed as an animal telling children stories. That probably happens all the time.

"An artistic tradition is the same as people who fuck in fursuits" said the pervert.