jangbones - 2022-03-22
AP article about the journalists and their evacuation.
"Suddenly at dawn, a dozen soldiers burst in: “Where are the journalists, for fuck’s sake?”"
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-edf7240a9d990 e7e3e32f82ca351dede
(remove any random spaces that poetv has inserted into the link)
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simon666 - 2022-03-22
If NATO wasn't trying to expand into Ukraine, then we wouldn't have to turn Ukraine into a wasteland! *shakes fist at "The Imperial West"*
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jangbones - 2022-03-22 NATO has acted terribly
does not excuse Putin's actions in invading Ukraine
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Nominal - 2022-03-22 *Putin will remember that*
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SolRo - 2022-03-22 Even George Bush has condemned this illegal invasion!
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jangbones - 2022-03-22 it's funny to me that this forum will devolve into moronic opinions on the invasion because the video of people suffering will be ignored
war kills innocent people and is always bad, also gfy
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SolRo - 2022-03-22 Want me to submit some Yemen,
Palestine, Syria, Lebanon or Afghanistan videos if you enjoy watching human misery so much, and aren’t trying to make a political point?
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ashtar. - 2022-03-22 I for one am willing to fight to the last Ukrainian! No number of Ukrainian dead is too high a cost to pay for... uh... US regional security dominance in Eastern Europe.
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Gunny McRifleson - 2022-03-26
For SolRo: Given the "we're going to focus our attention on Donblass" it looks like Russia's trying to wind this down. What do you think they are going to want during negotiations and what will they ultimately get in your opinion?
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SolRo - 2022-03-26 I have no idea what putins plans are, much like everyone who isn’t Putin.
As I have no information about the status of the war outside of what Ukraine says is happening I cannot make any determination about putins bargaining strength.
His demands may be more or less the same as they were but he’s given up on conquering all of Ukraine and is focusing on expanding the size of Donbas territories before he demands they can go independent.
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SolRo - 2022-03-27 I also don’t know how far up his own ass zelinsky is living right now, with everyone in western media calling him the greatest leader in human history and the last hope of freedom and democracy for the world. Can such a peerless demigod accept anything less than total victory?
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Gunny McRifleson - 2022-03-27 See that's just it. I don't think Donblass and Luhansk are even on the table. I think he may get formal recognition of Crimea (ONLY Crimea, no land bridge bullshit) given its history and walk away with something but lose everything else.
Yeah, Zelensky's a yappy pain in the ass but I do think he just wants this shit to be over ASAP.
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SolRo - 2022-03-27 I don’t think Putin would realistically accept that little in exchange for all the damage Russia has incurred economically.
He would need a bigger “win” to take back home if he hopes to maintain power with any kind of public support (vs purely through fear and violence).
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SolRo - 2022-03-27 And conversely I think Putin maybe would have taken that smaller win if sanctions weren’t setup to destroy the Russian economy.
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