you're right, solro - he should have won the primaries.

"The deplorable 40% aren't stopping Democrats from doing anything, because they can't. Democrats have full control of the federal government. Democrats could pass any legislation they want, including all of the unfulfilled campaign promises, without relying on a single Republican vote. Nobody is preventing the people you voted for from doing what they said they would do."

once again, you're painting all of congress as a monolith without understanding how decisions and policy actually get made outside of leftist funhouse charicatures of the process

(ya dumbdick)

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We're both probably old enough to remember 2009 when Democrats had a much more popular president, a +8 majority in the senate, a +70 something majority in the house, and pretended to be similarly obstructed. This is who they are. They lie to you about their intentions and then they use the political power that you give them to enrich the same people that Republicans do, and they tell you to get fucked. Stop pretending that being a rube is some kind of pragmatic adult understanding of politics.

If during the Dem primary (let alone the general election) if Joe Biden had been like "we're going to let the expanded unemployment benefits expire, we're gonna let the eviction moratorium expire, we're gonna do nothing about student debt, we're going to give less cash stimulus than Trump did, we're gonna order you back to work when there are a fucking million new infections per day (a peak we actually achieved on Monday!), we're gonna increase the number of deportations, we're gonna leave the child cages intact and full, and we're gonna do this because about 35 Democrat senators and like 100 Democrat representatives fucking love it like that, they are fucking comic book villain levels of corrupt, and we are gonna let those scumbags hide behind a few rotating villains so you can't even do anything about them!" I don't think he would have won. I think it would open a lane for a party that's useful to people outside the 1%.

>>>>We're both probably old enough to remember 2009 when Democrats had a much more popular president, a +8 majority in the senate, a +70 something majority in the house, and pretended to be similarly obstructed

BUT I GUESS YOURE NOT OLD ENOUGH to remember 2008, when the global economy nearly collapsed a month before the election, derailing the Obama agenda.

>>>Nobody is preventing the people you voted for from doing what they said they would do.

I didn't vote for Joe Manchin, or for the CEO of Delta Airlines

>>>The most unhinged Republican president in history sent us $2000 checks back when we had like 12k cases a day and now we have 300k cases a day and a Democrat president who's like "lol not my problem, go to work Jack"

Crackersmack is not smarter than a fifth grader, who would have known that congress has the power of the purse

rube

"the global economy nearly collapsed a month before the election, derailing the Obama agenda"

lmao. the global economy collapsing is when you're supposed to deliver your most left-wing plans. there is no better time. none. but they didn't want to do that, so they gave banks free money.

rube is too polite.

The only difference between you idiots and trumpers would be hat color.

yes I can see how you'd feel that way when your only politics are "blue team good"

I may be too cynical though; I have to acknowledge that real progress has been made. By orders of the CEO of Delta airlines, the CDC has reduced the quarantine time from 10 days to 5. So when you inevitably get infected, the worst is that you only miss one week! Another great win from the Biden administration!

Why isn't your blame directed at the belligerent 40% of Americans who refuse to get vaccinated and wear a mask?

Why aren't you directing your blame at state and local authorities?

Your comments so often read as motivated by an ulterior motive. They're never persuasive.

Why don't people trust the messaging? Well if you followed the official guidelines exactly, this is what you've been through in the last two years: "masks don't work, actually they do, wait you need 2, wait it should be a N95, it's just until a vaccine, it's just until enough people are vaccinated, you don't need a mask anymore, oh wait now you do, the vaccine doesn't work on the new strain, but the new strain is mild, no it's not, maybe it is but it'll give you 'long covid', etc etc etc"

Clearly, clearly, the emphasis is on getting people back to work no matter what the cost in lives is. That's why they ended the expanded unemployment benefits. That's why they did extend the eviction moratorium. That's why the CDC recommendations on quarantine time were reduced. They want you desperate because profits go down if you aren't. No different than the worst Republican administrations.

I was told repeatedly during 2020 that Biden would handle covid in a more responsible way than Trump. Well a week ago Biden declared that solving covid is up to the individual states. Would he have won if that was the message in 2020? Is that what you were sold?

The most unhinged Republican president in history sent us $2000 checks back when we had like 12k cases a day and now we have 300k cases a day and a Democrat president who's like "lol not my problem, go to work Jack"

*yawn*

It’s like he’s a neocon doing an act…oh, wait.

You didn't even get the incremental change that you said justified voting for Biden. Shit is getting worse.

cracker is right

simon666, why are you giving a pass to the people responsible, and instead get mad about those they brainwashed into being antivax?

SolRo, I know you're a very dim neolib, but just because leftists talk shit on your favorite segregationist democrat doesn't mean they're republican. You're just very very dim.

Spike:

Anger doesn't have anything to do with it. I engage my representatives and senators by calling their offices.

But on Poetv, the relevant and salient person to direct concerns towards are the posters of comments and videos.

Crackersmack seems to think the Executive has authority or right to implement policies at hospitals? Or within the domain that states and municipalities typically have jurisdiction? Is Crackersmack really concerned with the wellbeing of people or is Crackersmack concerned with how people's well being or lack thereof can be used to tear down someone politically?

And am I given Biden a pass? Or am I recognizing that 40% of the American population is creating the problem and politically preventing state or federal officials from solving the problem? If 40% of the American public, wrong as they might be, thinks there shouldn't be lock downs and vaccines and mask mandates, should an Executive wield the power of the Federal government to force it on people? It's not clear they should. If that's true, why treat Biden as blameworthy? Do we want a dictator in the White House? I thought that's last year's election was about. We don't.

What they hell do you think needs to be done that actually can be done.

The deplorable 40% aren't stopping Democrats from doing anything, because they can't. Democrats have full control of the federal government. Democrats could pass any legislation they want, including all of the unfulfilled campaign promises, without relying on a single Republican vote. Nobody is preventing the people you voted for from doing what they said they would do.

"Do we want a dictator in the White House? I thought that's last year's election was about. We don't."

If no meaningful alternative for people to improve the rapidly deteriorating conditions of their lives is presented real soon, you're gonna get one.

Anyone still throwing around "neolib" and "segregationist democrat" needs to put down the Jacobin mag and join the rest of the adults in the real world of political coalitions needing broad support.

People who use "Neoliberal" against liberals online are definitely full of shit, but I like the Jacobin. Don't put down the Jacobin, pick up a fucking dictionary.

I actually kinda agree, we probably should call people with your politics "liberal" now. There isn't really a distinction between neolibs and regular libs any more, and there hasn't been in years.

Crackersmack is calling anti-makers and anti-vaxxers "deplorables" now and I'm trying to figure out why.

Is that you trying to manipulate me or the readers of this thread? What does being a deplorable, as Clinton said it, have anything to do with people not wanting to be vaxxed or wear a mask? Nothing as far as I can see.

People not wearing masks or getting vaxxed are failing in their patriotic duty to do what's best for the country.


@ashtar: The "meaningful change" line you're using is total horse shit. The fact that the US is socially and culturally changing is what *is* the problem for those against the current administration from the right. More change is just what will drive those on the right into revolt. They want a return to (in their eyes) the Christian way of public life. Wrongly, they feel threatened (they're not), and they're willing to support dictators that make them feel safe.

I'm just using the term deplorables because that's the liberal's own word for the people you are talking about, is it not? Isn't this 40% of people the villains that supposedly keep Democratic majorities from doing anything?

I love how it's a "patriotic duty" now though, as if it's a failure of individual responsibility and not a failure of government. Meanwhile you can look to Europe or Asia to see numerous examples of governments handling this differently and having much more success than the American "rugged individualism" approach that now has us setting infection records daily.

So I take it you're a cat person?

I like cats but I do not like keeping a box of animal shit inside my home so I would never own one.

I said "meaningful alternative" "to improve the rapidly deteriorating conditions of their lives". I'm not sure what culture war shit has to do with that.

Real hourly wage growth has been flat since the 1970s. Costs of college, housing, and medical care have skyrocketed.

"Blame Mexicans and Gays" isn't much of a solution to these problems. But if there is no alternative, people will take it.

I believe that not having a fascist government is a significant alternative to having a fascist government. Go ahead, change my mind.

You don't get rid of fascists by voting for liberals John.

That's so pretty. How do you do it?

Take the red pill.

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ẗ̸͍̣͙́͆ẖ̵̂a̶͍͒̅n̷̼̰̊̂͜k̶̛̟̓ ̵̹̈͌͜ý̷͕͓ŏ̵̱̩u̵͚̒̂!̶̨̘͚͌

Not what I used, but close.

It's yet another tool to draw an "us vs them" demarcation line to fuel the never ending need for purity purges.

The people who use it hate democracy as much as the Freedom Caucus. They think the president is (or should be) an emperor who rules by decree, and any lack of sweeping reform must be an ideological shortcoming on his part.

***You didn't even get the incremental change that you said justified voting for Biden.***

You talking to me? What I said was that against Trump, I would vote for Richard Nixon, back from the grave as a flesh-eating zombie. I'll stand by that.

Im researching Neoliberalism now. It's a real thing, it's the default position of the Democratic leaders, and I'd like to see that change. Health care, for example, becomes less efficient when it becomes profit centered. Insurers aren't going competing for your business when you have a serious illness, because under capitalism, Healthcare is not the point of the Healthcare industry.

I'm not a neoliberal. I don't think SolRo is a neoliberal. I think the main difference between me and Crackersmack, other than me not being retarded, is that I care about fascism.

I only rail against the left when confronted with guys like Crackersmack, and his staggering ineffectualism. Nobody is going to follow him and his "Trump is no worse" take. He's just going to go on and on until he's an old man, yelling at passing clouds. Luckily for me, I'll be dead.

John there were a million new infections on Monday.

A better way to put this; if the virus has a 1% fatality rate then 10,000 people will die as a result of the infection they discovered on Monday. Likely a same amount of infections occurred yesterday. Likely the same amount will occur today.

At this point this has been going on for two years, one under Trump with a split congress, one under Biden with a unified Dem congress. No hospital beds have been added. No tests or masks have been distributed, no significant financial stimulus has occurred to allow people to quarantine at home. Millions are facing the choice of working while at extreme risk (or even while infected!) or joining the huge number of people living in tents on the sidewalk. They have no safety net.

This government is leaving us to twist in the wind. The people you are right now making excuses for will be directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths this year. They aren't a better alternative. They aren't harm reduction. They just don't work for you or me.

I got vaccinated.

Vaccination is what mitigates harm.

People refuse vaccination, and that makes them responsible for the consequences.

That's pretty much all there is to it. You can get infected if are vaccinated, but you almost certainly won't need to be hospitalized.

If you think government should hold people down and vaccinate them, you should say so.

I think the government should pay people to get vaccinated. You want to get too 99+% as fast as possible? Give out a check with the shot.

The "honest argument" is that Democrats got elected based on the idea that they would handle covid more responsibly than Trump, and in practice they have handled covid exactly the same way the Trump would have. Except with less direct financial aid.

Democrats have had almost a full year to do something to mitigate the spread and they have refused. Now we have a million new infections per day. This is fact-based criticism.

Gmork is sad about being fat, that's why he brought up Joe Rogan out of nowhere.

another response despite being blocked

so desperate to suck up negative attention that he responds anyways, fishing

oh and an update about my coworkers: they're flat earthers, geocentrists, disbelieve gravity exists. that's the kind of person who defends joe rogan