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Meerkat - 2021-02-10

For Republicans, there is no impeachable offense other than being a Democrat.


Hazelnut - 2021-02-11

It’s going to be interesting (& probably depressing) to see if any Republican senators suffer an attack of conscience. Apparently a bunch of them were near tears... but they’ve rung their hands so many times and always recovered in a few days.

Well, we’ll see, maybe in as soon as a week. Sounds like Trump’s last-minute attorneys aren’t doing him any favours either. But when the jury’s stacked with slime like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio...


Meerkat - 2021-02-11

The conservative media's demonising of "the left" has brainwashed their base beyond recovery at this point.


Hazelnut - 2021-02-11

You’re certainly right about the base. I just hope out of Trump’s 70 million voters at least 20 or 30 million are still salvageable—even that would go a huge way with elections as close as they are.


jfcaron_ca - 2021-02-10

I had only watched some of the livestream during the day-of, but it was all from reporters outside so it didn't look like much. I didn't watch any of the footage from the reporting frenzy after, so I was surprised at how violent it got.

The cops were totally outnumbered and underequipped (deliberately, it looks like), so I can understand why they wouldn't have pushed back hard like they would have for e.g. BLM. If 5 bicycle cops behind a modular fence try to out-muscle 500 of those guys it's not going to end well for them, even if they use their guns.

The human crush is horrific to watch. I'm genuinely wary of huge crowds and stadiums for this reason.


Two Jar Slave - 2021-02-10

Irony aside, this made me pretty upset to watch.


jangbones - 2021-02-11

the next one will be worse

don't know exactly what it will be, but it's definitely coming


Cena_mark - 2021-02-11

They're emboldened. Ever since Ruby Ridge and Waco feds have played kid gloves with right wing terrorists. Look how they handled the Bundys and the state capitol take overs.


teethsalad - 2021-02-11

https://www.nbc12.com/2021/02/10/missing-explosives-marine-base-un der-investigation/

these guys have always been around if you knew what to look for at gun shows and the like - now they've got a taste of power they'll never want to go back. they've been stoking half-baked tom clancy wet dreams about "watering the tree of liberty with the blood of traitors" or whatever the fuck that saying is for-fucking-ever. anything that doesn't end with legalizing plinking pinkos with a .30-06 will end up a disappointment for them. they don't give a fuck about governance or all that dumb nerd shit, they just want a big stack of dead bodies


exy - 2021-02-11

One of the projects I haven't started would be called something like "Next Time They'll Be Shooting".. something pithier than that, but I forget. Anyway, point is, yer right.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-11

Let's just enjoy this. Make no mistake, this is humiliating for the Republicans, to the extent that they have any remaining ability to feel shame. Their base keeps demanding more capitulation to Trump, and they have no choice because they've been forced to burn every other bridge. I've hated Republicanism my whole life, and this is the worst moment I remember for these bastards. Watergate didn't force every Republican politician to make himself ridiculous.

They're not dead yet, and the same long march into fantasyland that is destroying them is making them more dangerous, but after 49 years of supporting McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, and Clinton, this is to be savored.


Crackersmack - 2021-02-11

lol *this* is the Republicans worst moment!?
not when they stole a presidential election in 2000?
not when they told lies to start a war that has resulted in the death of a million people?


Gmork - 2021-02-11

gOtChA LiBtArDs!!!!!!


Crackersmack - 2021-02-11

how about Hurricane Katrina? is that worse than some broken windows at the precious capitol building?


Hazelnut - 2021-02-11

I’m kinda glad Ashtar / Crackersmack is here to show us how desperate the people who invested their lives in the MAGA roleplay have become. After the party, the hangover.


ashtar. - 2021-02-11

Honestly, overweight maga dorks breaking shit in Nancy Pelosi's office was among the coolest things they've done.

What is chiefly worrying here is that these dipshits actually have the will to use force when they think an election has been stolen and the Republic is in danger, whereas the democrats... not so much. If they get the cops and military on their side, it's over.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-11

Have you forgotten George Floyd? Thousands of ordinary Americans stood up to political violence last summer.


Crackersmack - 2021-02-11

why are we doing this instead of writing checks to unemployed people or fixing the botched rollout of vaccines?

who fucking cares? who has the luxury of being outraged at the fucking capitol building and a few dead cops?


Gmork - 2021-02-11

Jesus fucking Christ you're trash

"WE CAN ONLY CARE ABOUT ONE ISSUE AT A TIME!"


Mister Yuck - 2021-02-11

Hey look, it’s an argument made in bad faith! They’re doing *both*.

And even if you don’t give a fuck about consequences for Trump, only about practical solutions, you surely understand that politically destroying the Republican Party is necessary to getting anything substantial done. We need to completely sideline those fuckers while primary-ing moderate Democrats so we can have a real left in this country.


Crackersmack - 2021-02-11

lol you retards are not "practically destroying the republican party" - do you honestly think a single republican gives a shit about any of this? this is theater for the MSNBC crowd, nobody else is even aware of it.

shit even if Democrats don't care about the people being evicted as we speak you'd think that purely out of a desire for self-preservation they would have sent out a damn check already, yeah "we can do two things at once" but they aren't fucking doing that, are they?


Hazelnut - 2021-02-11

Haven’t seen Crashtar so energetic in a while. His trolling’s been so flat and tired for months, ever since he wasted a year trying to talk us out of voting. Guess a video of attempted overthrow of an election got him all aroused.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-11

This isn't really a point that I'd defend to the death, but yes, I think this is the most humiliating moment for Republicans, especially Senate Republicans. I'm no historian, but I think that if ever a president had conducted a more blatant and outrageous violation of the Constitution, I would probably know about it, but regardless, this is not speculation. The Iraq War may have been a massive humanitarian fuckup, and moral atrocity, but it wasn't a direct attack on the Constitution, the thing that presidents take an oath about. At the time the decision was being made, it was possible to rationalize that the war was necessary, and that it might turn out well.

But the Trump insurrection has happened, and it was a shitshow, driven by an old mans toxic ego trip, and structured around a blatant lie. Senate Republicans know this, and now they're going to have to defend it. They're going to have to sign their name to this clusterfuck, in front of the world, and in front of history. The ones who have any sense will be humiliated.


Hazelnut - 2021-02-11

Time will tell, but I bet JHM is right here. If Senate Republicans chicken out of convicting Trump, they convict themselves before the whole world. They're betting everything they've got against America -- and cheesy as the catchphrase is, Sleepy Joe is right that's a losing bet.


ashtar. - 2021-02-11

What would practically destroy the republican party would be to establish a durable electoral majority coalition that would realign American political discourse like FDR or Reagan.

I don't think a show trial along partisan lines for basically no stakes for ordinary Americans is going to move us closer to that.

But democrats are not just wary of, but actively vociferously opposed to any sort of bold political action, so aesthetics is all we've got.

I do hope that this part of the spectacle makes the people rooting for the opposing team feel bad, though.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-11

>>but democrats are not just wary of, but actively vociferously opposed to any sort of bold political action, so aesthetics is all we've got.

Ashtar, you are dumber than a box of rocks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests


ashtar. - 2021-02-12

You mean when cops in very blue Democratic cities killed black people and then fired rubber bullets and tear gas at protesters and beat the shit out of them with batons? And Democratic politicians came out pretty hard against defunding the police? And the main part of the new Democratic president's police reform plan involves $300 million to hire more police?

Those protests?


Crackersmack - 2021-02-12

"if we just prove that Republicans are BAD and WRONG, then we will have won the debate in the marketplace of ideas, and nobody will ever be a Republican ever again"

you all are like fucking parodies of liberals


Hazelnut - 2021-02-12

And right back to lazy and unconvincing.


Crackersmack - 2021-02-11

personally I think lying to try and nickel-and-dime a bunch of desperate people out of $600, and then not even delivering on the remaining $1400 because Biden is obsessed with getting X number of Republican votes for a relief bill, and because the party refuses to do anything about Manchin, is more despicable than some idiot taking Pelosi's lectern but what do I know


Two Jar Slave - 2021-02-11

you must blast so hard after edging all day like this


Gmork - 2021-02-11

I like how you mention the podium but not the ATTEMPTED COUP RESULTING IN MURDER


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-11

Not a whole lot, obviously.


Gmork - 2021-02-11

Nobody here is falling for your completely hollow rhetoric.

You're fucking retarded and tiresome. That's it. Everyone recognizes your bad faith arguments immediately.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-11

According to Wikipedia, the guy who stole Nancy's podium isn't being impeached.


Nominal - 2021-02-11

Grow the fuck up. You don't even believe what you write. It's boring. Why bother?


Crackersmack - 2021-02-12

yeah JHM nobody else is actually being impeached either but go ahead and enjoy your meaningless sideshow


Binro the Heretic - 2021-02-11

The Republicans will vote to acquit. Maybe even some Democrats in vulnerable states.

Because they don't have ideals or principles. Their only goal is to get elected again. And in some places, siding with the assholes will get you elected every time.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-11

I'll look it up later, but I'm pretty sure no Democrats voted to acquit in the first Impeachment. I can't imagine that would change.

A simple majority vote for conviction wouldn't change anything officially, but it would be a moral defeat for Trump. That didn't happen with the first impeachment, it didn't happen with the Clinton Impeachment. It would be significantly harder for Trump to brag about a majority but not a supermajority voting for conviction.

The good news is that, as I see it, that's practically a slam dunk. There's fifty Democratic senators, and Mitt Romney. That`s 51 to 49, at least, and there's another factor that looks promising. An unusual number of Republican Senators have already announced that they won't be running in 2022. I think the number may be five so far.


casualcollapse - 2021-02-11

I kind of want to see the capital riots in reverse now


Two Jar Slave - 2021-02-11

They'd get sick from gulping all that bullshit back in.


ashtar. - 2021-02-11

The venn diagram of "people who love the Democratic president" and "people willing to use political violence" are two separate circles that don't touch.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-11

Whomp, whomp!

Remember last summer, when people stood up to tear gas and rubber bullets and nightsticks? I'm not willing to use political violence, but I'm willing to stand up to it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests


ashtar. - 2021-02-12

Yes. That's why I phrased it the way I did, rather than saying something different.


ashtar. - 2021-02-12

People also burned down police stations. Though I am sure they're happy Trump is gone, my sense of it is that those people are not willing to do that to keep Joe Biden in office. Nor is Joe Biden a big fan of the police station burning people.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-12

The way you phrased it is that Democrats are "not just wary of, but actively vociferously opposed to any sort of bold political action", and I think that's manifestly untrue.

And I disagree with you about the meaning of the impeachment trial. After four years of the assiduous gaslighting ever, I think we can spare a few days to have an official public search for truth. Under oath and on the record.

>>> And Democratic politicians came out pretty hard against defunding the police? And the main part of the new Democratic president's police reform plan involves $300 million to hire more police?

>>>Those protests?

The protests weren't about police funding. They were about police killing people. The policy is neither a betrayal nor a solution, it's political posturing, and it worked. What we got for 300 million dollars is that we got rid of Donald Trump, the man who pardoned Joe Arpaio for the crime of refusing to follow a court order to end racial profiling in his department. Trump called that "doing his job." Trump tried to make "defund the police" an issue in the campaign, and Biden sidestepped that. In my district some pac ran a ton of ads about "Antifa" and "Defund the Police", and now we have Claudia Tenny, who is kind of a moderate version of Marjorie Taylor Greene.

"Defund the police" is a tough sell, and in the summer of 2020, it should be. It's not anything like a fully formed policy. The main idea behind defunding the police is to fund other things, and without a real plan for what those things could be, it wasn't ready to be on the ballot in 2020


ashtar. - 2021-02-12

Everything you just said confirms my point? Like, you can't even help yourself from arguing against major reform.


Hazelnut - 2021-02-12

aaaaand Crackersmack gets lazy again.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-12

There are two things that dispute your point:

1. THE WORDS YOU USE.

2. WHAT THOSE WORDS MEAN

You said that Democrats are "not just wary of, but actively vociferously opposed to any sort of bold political action", and I think that standing up to tear gas, rubber bullets, nights sticks and mysterious cops in unmarked
vans is a sort of bold political action.

Readers of English will note that I said that Biden's funding proposal is "neither a solution nor a betrayal", and I should have stipulated that solutions are called for, and solutions that defund the police as part of a comprehensive program should be on the table. Maybe I shouldn't have assumed that goes without saying.

And maybe I should have acknowledged that there's little reason to assume that, all by himself, Biden is likely to make police reform a priority, and that he's not going to need to be pushed into it. Somehow, that's never what we end up talking about.


ashtar. - 2021-02-16

Again, the Democratic Party's response (at least on the most visible national level, and in many cities/states) to ongoing state racial killing of civilians, and months of protests and some riots in response has been:

"well, let's figure it out later and maybe try more of the same stuff that hasn't worked, and heck, let's give more money to the people doing the state violence"

This is a good example of how the Democratic Party will take outcry and mass movement from its base and turn it into... nothing.

I don't understand what you're trying to do by bringing this up, since it backs up my point really well.


casualcollapse - 2021-02-12

two jar thanks for the laugh


cognitivedissonance - 2021-02-12

I'd kill for some weird Russian puppetry or something right now.


Nominal - 2021-02-13

ha ha, they've already shifted gears from dismissing the coup to trying and push it out of the limelight with coverage of CANCEL CULTURE OUTRAGE Gina Carano being fired.

Because an actor being fired from a Star Wars show is more shattering blow to our society than a fascist coup attempt.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-14

When Roseanne Barr was fired for racist tweeting, I suspected that there was something more to it. I mean, wasn't she kind of an asshole? It seems to me that sometimes, when actors say horrible things on social media, they may in fact be horrible people who say horrible things all the time, and this makes people not want to work with them.

And more than this, when an actor makes public statements that disparage covid safety measures, would you feel good about having that person on the set of your hit Disney streaming service show, doing scenes with other actors? Maybe you have to deal with investors, who are worried about liability or delays from sickness? Someone working on this project must have taken this personally, because she was not taking everyone's safety seriously.

Or so I surmise. I don't know exactly what she said, or who she is, for that matter, but personally, if I was the one making the decision, I would not fire someone for having an opinion I disagree with, but I would fire them without remorse for making my project more difficult.

I don't block people on Twitter because they disagree with me. I block them because they piss me off. Disagreeing without pissing me off is not hard, but no one is interested in making that little bit of effort. And so, they are banished from my browser. My favorite parting words are: "By the time you read this, I will have already forgotten that you exist."

Milo what's his name didn't get banned for Twitter for being a conservative. HE was banned for participating in the horrifying racist harassment of an African-American actress. Figure it out.


Two Jar Slave - 2021-02-14

I think she got backlash for making fun of the practice of declaring your pronouns online; e.g., 2 Jar he/him. There was probably more to it than that, but that's the headline I read.


Nominal - 2021-02-18

There was a TON of far right shit she was spouting for a long time. Not least of which was her tweeting Protocols of the Elders of Zion grade political cartoons.

It's just the standard motte & bailey "IT'S JUST FREE SPEECH!" defense trying to cover all that up.


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