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Anaxagoras - 2021-02-05

Well she seems nice.


jangbones - 2021-02-05

This is the future of American politics. I bet anyone that someone even crazier is elected to the house in 2022. Maybe more than one.


Hazelnut - 2021-02-06

If there's a lesson from Jan 6, 2021 it's that the lies of antisemitic conspiracy theoriests do real harm and we can't just give them a pass any longer.


ez - 2021-02-06

Ilhan Omar.
Rashida Tlaib.


Hazelnut - 2021-02-06

Are examples of false equivalence BS put forward by race-baiting schmucks like yourself. I note you also tried earlier to pretend that Black Lives Matter and the Proud Boys are the same thing. No one's fooled.


ez - 2021-02-06

Yup, no fooling someone like you who’s so confident that your side is always right, and the other side is always wrong. There’s no use in trying to pull the wool over your eyes, because you just know that anyone not saying the same thing as you has to be a racist or nazi or homophobe or whatever other insult pops into your head.


Hazelnut - 2021-02-06

Why yes, I'm very convinced that it's right to oppose bigotry and wrong to support it. Your incoherent word salad doesn't change that.


ez - 2021-02-06

Yes, you vehemently oppose it, as long as it’s someone from the side you don’t like. How big of you. Sorry if the rest of my fairly short message was too difficult for you to follow; I tried to use small words.


Hazelnut - 2021-02-06

There's that false equivalence again, presented with zero evidence or even coherent thought


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-06

Sandra Day O'Connor
John Philip Sousa


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-06

The problem isn't the size of the words, eze, its the number and type of them. Your argument lacks a verb, and therefore, your argument lacks an argument. Hazelnut seems to think he knows what you mean by

Ilhan Omar.
Rashida Tlaib.

but I refuse to do the work of reconstructing your argument from a single fragment, like a man trying to build a T Rex from one leg bone. Does Ilhan Omar also believe that Jewish bankers use space lasers to start wild fires? Is Rashida Tliab actually the one controlling the space lasers? If I believed I was always right, I'd be more willing to take a guess at what you mean by that. However, I can't make a single guess at how

Ilhan Omar.
Rashida Tlaib.

is supposed to be an argument that Marjorie Taylor Greene DOESN'T believe that fires are caused by Jewish Space Lasers.

>>>Yup, no fooling someone like you who’s so confident that your side is always right, and the other side is always wrong.

Is the other side Marjorie Taylor Greene? That's the only thing that makes any sense in the context of this discussion, and in that case, yes, that's true. If the other side is ez, check back with with me after they've put forward a real argument, the kind with a verb.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-07

>>>>>>Yup, no fooling someone like you who’s so confident that your side is always right, and the other side is always wrong.

My confidence in the rightness of my side is a case by case thing. If we're talking about a plan for Trump to round up the secret society of Satan worshiping, blood-drinking Democrats and Hollywood stars, including Tom Hanks, a plan that is somehow a closely guarded secret yet all over the internet, I must confess that, yes, I am rather confident that's not true.


duck&cover - 2021-02-06

Crazy AND stupid are a bad combination.


SolRo - 2021-02-06

How did I know you’d only care about this part of her crazy.

Hazelnut is just fine with denying school shootings, harassing victims of school shootings, denying 9/11 and murdering political enemies.


Hazelnut - 2021-02-06

The point is, when you buying into antisemitism, you're also buying into school shootings, harassing victims of school shootings, denying 9/11 and murdering political enemies. Take a look at your QAnon buddies, SolRo, and ask if that's really the side you want to be on.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-07

Ilhan Omar.
Rashida Tlaib.

This is what the Right does when people talk about MTG, they evoke Ilhan Omar and her famous reputation for antisemitism, but they don't talk about what she actually she actually said, and because it's nonsense.

A year and a half ago, Ilhan Omar tweeted something critical of Israel for buying political influence in the US through extensive lobbying. Is this
inaccurate somehow? I kind of got the impression it wasn't. She used the expression "Its all about the Benjamins", which is reference to money, and also a poke at Benjamin Netanyahu, thereby possibly hurting his feelings.

Now I don't think she mentioned Jews at all, but for some people, it evoked antisemitic tropes or something, which may very well be a valid criticism, and so she was criticized for that, and she apologized.

And that's it. That's the whole fucking thing. It's not much, its not even good whataboutism, but its all they got. Trump got about 20 tweets out of that, and what a scary racist she is, as far as I know without ever mentioning what she actually said. The Republicans need the eggs, and that's why they keep fucking that chicken.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-07

I should have proofread this better, but the Ambi3n is kicking in.


Hazelnut - 2021-02-07

Yeah, the big test is what happens AFTER saying something that could be construed as bigoted. Everybody says dumb things now and then; what do they choose to say next? Omar clarified herself, just like Biden clarified his unfortunate "You ain't Black" remark.

Genuine racists like Marjorie Taylor Green and Donald Trump double down on their rhetoric and cast themselves as the real victims.


Bort - 2021-02-07

There's more to Omar's comments: a history of insensitivity to the Jewish community, to the point where Jewish constituents came to her to make sure she understood the harm that anti-Semitic remarks cause:

https://www.twincities.com/2019/02/12/mn-jewish-leaders-talked -with-ilhan-omar-about-anti-semitism-last-year-why-they-remain-fru strated/

Notice that the criticism is coming from actual Jews, and Jewish Democratic officials no less. Not people just looking to play the anti-Semitism card for funsies.

Also of note: back when Congress was passing a resolution condemning the Armenian Holocaust -- a symbolic move that even 95% of Republicans could get behind -- Omar voted "present". She gave a bullshit justification for refusing to do the right thing, of course.

I notice how Omar's fans are happy to give her a pass on every shitty thing she does, because they like her economic policies. And if means supporting a little bigotry here and there, well, isn't it worth it so long as she promises to make us strong and prosperous?


Hazelnut - 2021-02-07

I bet we probably agree that there's shit she said that she really ought not to have said, that it's good she's apologised on multiple occassions but still there's a bad pattern thre, and also that this is miles away from Marjorie Taylor Greene and "Jewish space lasers".

I rather liked this opinion piece by Ariel Sobel, which criticises Omar without oversimplifying: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/asobel/defend-ilhan-omar-but- dont-look-away


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-07

>>Also of note: back when Congress was passing a resolution condemning the Armenian Holocaust -- a symbolic move that even 95% of
Republicans could get behind -- Omar voted "present". She gave a bullshit justification for refusing to do the right thing, of course.

Okay, "95 per cent of Republicans could get behind it" isn't a very persuasive case that she ought to also get behind it. Nor does telling me that her justification is bullshit without telling me what it is convince me that she likes genocide, or that she denies that it happened.

If she avoided taking a position on a symbolic vote that passed easily to avoid offending a certain constituency, and its a vote that, for symbolic reasons, she shouldn't have avoided, but I neither want to condemn her, nor give her a pass. Maybe she should be criticized. If Minnesota Jewish leaders have concerns they want to share with Ilhan Omar, I hope that she listens. No one is above criticism. We need more criticism, less condemnation, and less reading of criticism as if it were condemnation.

Here's an opinion piece that's nuanced on all sides, about Chelsea Clinton, who was condemned for her criticism of Ilhan Omar's criticism of Israel. Its also a pretty good retelling of the whole shitstorm.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-02-07

FORGOT TO POST THE LINK:

https://tinyurl.com/8bb6x6ms

TINYURL.COM, YOU GUYS...



>>>I bet we probably agree that there's shit she said that she really ought not to have said, that it's good she's apologised on multiple occassions but still there's a bad pattern thre, and also that this is miles away from Marjorie Taylor Greene and "Jewish space lasers".

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