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Desc:The surreal experience of watching two leaders hold a decent conversation as decent human beings
Category:Nature & Places, Classic TV Clips
Tags:decency, non-traitors, plans for a future, restoring opportunity, listening to experts
Submitted:Hazelnut
Date:07/28/20
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Hazelnut - 2020-07-28

Obama was far from a perfect President. He failed to stop America’s 40-year slide into an oligarchic caste system, and he failed to restore the balance between the executive and legislature. With the utterly corrupt and anti-American Republican Senate it was impossible to do both, Obama tried to split the difference and got neither.

But damn it, he was a decent guy, he tried, he made some progress (health care, Iran deal, Cuba deal, DREAM Act, Paris climate accord, pandemic preparedness) that McConnell / Trump have done their slimy best to dismantle but whose legacy will continue because the alt-right has contributed nothing in its place but police brutality and coronavirus.

I preferred Warren in the primary, but Obama’s support makes a huge deal to me. I mean, I’d vote for Kanye over Trump, but I do think Biden can accomplish some real good.


Crackersmack - 2020-07-28

(I guess we're just going to ignore the unprecedented Dem majorities for the first half of Obama's first term, when he could have done anything he wanted)


Hazelnut - 2020-07-28

Ashtarsmack’s usual accuracy there


Crackersmack - 2020-07-28

If you can't/won't do the job you were elected to do with a +70 something margin in the house, 58 votes in the senate, and a popular and charismatic young POTUS, than why should I ever expect your party to do the job with even less?


Hazelnut - 2020-07-28

Gosh, it’s almost like I mentioned he wasn’t perfect. He didn’t have a veto-proof majority and he tried to work across the isle. What a monsterz


Crackersmack - 2020-07-28

Why would Obama need a veto-proof majority smart guy?


Crackersmack - 2020-07-28

Decent human beings?

Obama used the 2008 financial crisis as an opportunity to oversee the largest transfer of wealth from the poor to the wealthy in human history. *Half* of the accumulated wealth of Black Americans was lost overnight, funnelled upward to people that were already obscenely rich. Billions of dollars were put aside in a bipartisan arrangement to stop the bleeding, to provide some way for working class homeowners to stay in their homes. Obama just chose not to spend it, and instead opted for mass foreclosures.

I could go on an on; from the drone murders of innocent civilians, to the accelerated transfer of military equipment to racist and under-regulated police agencies, to the constant capitulation to extreme right-wing media. Obama achieved more right-wing wishlist goals than even Reagan did.

And in this video Obama isn't even the biggest scumbag! Biden is literally the architect of our mass incarceration crisis. He wrote the legislation that directly caused it. How many Black men have been separated from their families for years, and burdened with a life-long record that makes employment impossible because of Biden's 1994 crime bill? Something that Biden was proud of until very recently.

Biden dropped a bomb on two or three generations of Black men, and we won't recover from it until long after everybody in this video turns to dust. Every time Biden speaks about race he says something racist, because he is a racist segregationist. He's been aggressively wrong about every major issue during his entire legislative career. He's a vile, corrupt, lecherous example of everything wrong with American politics. Even Trump isn't as representative of the rot as Biden is.

Now you think you can just force us to take this, because Trump is some extraordinary threat? Please, you fucking babies. You have no idea what you're doing here. You doomed us to another four years of Trump roughly 5 months ago. It's been a done deal ever since.


Hazelnut - 2020-07-28

Says the zero-credibility troll. The funny thing is if all that copy-pasta about Biden being a racist fascist monster were true, the alt-right groups he copy-pastes from would support him.


Crackersmack - 2020-07-28

Yeah it's almost like this is just tribal/cultural bullshit for a lot of you right wingers and centrists, and not something that actually affects your life, thus the gibberish about "decency" and "restoring opportunity" whatever that means instead of actual policy that you agree/disagree with.


Hazelnut - 2020-07-28

Says the liar who claimed Biden spent his whole life trying to destroy Social Security and that the Mueller report was a hoax.


Crackersmack - 2020-07-28

Yeah it's not like there is video of Biden bragging about how many times he has tried to cut Social Security, not to mention the actual legislative history that any of us can look up.

It's not like he was a prominent part of the last Democratic administration's push to make a "grand bargain" to reduce the deficit by cutting SS benefits through chained-CPI cuts.

And how's that Mueller report doing anyway? I haven't heard much about it lately. I guess the cops are gonna slap the cuffs on Trump any day now, right?


Hazelnut - 2020-07-28

Thank you for proving my point.


Pillager - 2020-07-28

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/

“When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well,” he told the Senate in 1995. “I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant veterans’ benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the government. And I not only tried it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a fourth time.”



Biden's neoliberal snakeoil is why Hillary lost.


Hazelnut - 2020-07-30

Fact check by PolitiFact: mostly false

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/12/bernie-sande rs/sanders-misleading-social-security-attack-biden/


Diligence - 2020-07-28

Watch the video.


Anaxagoras - 2020-07-28

Oh my yes. It was like a cleansing tonic.

Because I am who I am, I can't help but comment on how the music is over-the-top and ham-handed, but fuck it; this was still a wonderful video.


casualcollapse - 2020-07-28

One star because I'm tired of you baiting people for arguments


Pillager - 2020-07-28

Obama was the Deporter in Chief & Black Income Inequality worsened under Obama/Biden's do nothing reign.

Trump is Barry's legacy.

If the Dems keep ignoring the working class, expect Rubio/Cotton for 8 years.


Hazelnut - 2020-07-28

Pillager reeeaaalllly cares about the working claas


Pillager - 2020-07-28

“No one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change.”

&

“I mean, we may not want to demonize anybody who has made money,” -joe biden

I care a helluava lot more than senile joe.


Anaxagoras - 2020-07-28

This was worth the price of admission for:

Obama: "I have faith that you'll listen to the experts."

Biden: "Yeah."


Crackersmack - 2020-07-28

He's gonna listen to "experts" like Larry Summers and Jamie Dimon.


betamaxed - 2020-07-28

1 star for the shitty poster but 5 text stars ***** for that splash image. It's like they're almost about to kiss.


jfcaron_ca - 2020-07-28

Given the level of discourse on PoeTV in the last week, I have decided to join the "poetv is dead" crowd. Fuck all you assholes who contributed to its downfall into constant political bickering and shitcalling.


Hazelnut - 2020-07-28

Oh weep weep. Fuck you right back if you think we should limit poetv to Crackersmack-approved content.


Crackersmack - 2020-07-28

instead, the last gasps of Portal Of Evil will be Clinton liberals holding each other and crying about the bad cheeto man being rude

isn't this a derivative of the place that introduced the world to Goatse once upon a time?


Hazelnut - 2020-07-28

If you feel that bad you can always go back to /pol/


jfcaron_ca - 2020-07-28

Fuck you Hazelnut, you're totally self-oblivious.


Hazelnut - 2020-07-29

I do my best. You just whine.


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