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John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-27

Thanks, JF, for fixing the blatantly misleading tense in the title.

Biden can beat Trump. And, as Robert Blake used to say, that's the name of that tune.


William Burns - 2020-01-27

Biden, Warren and Sanders all poll well against Trump, why pick the one with the worst policies who's also a godawful public speaker?


Hazelnut - 2020-01-27

I’d be happy with Biden or Warren honestly. My only worry about Warren is having seen Corbyn utterly destroyed over here... but she’s a far more impressive and inspiring figure thsn he was.

Sanders... I still haven’t forgiven him for putting Trump in office in the first place. He prioritised hid ego over the country, tearing down Hillary for months after it was clear he couldn’t win. Is he planning to do the same thing to the next front runner? He’s already bad-mouthing Warren.

At the end of the day I’ll vote for whoever gets the nomination, no question. If the country has a lot of luck and a little lingering patriotism, they’ll need to defeat Pence.


William Burns - 2020-01-27

What exactly did Sanders do or say that "tore down" Hillary, beside run against her?


teethsalad - 2020-01-27

i mean - bernie went and dozens of events on her behalf even after getting somewhat shafted by the dnc process & rampant cronyism and super-delegate horseshit, but for whatever reason, that doesn't count, because when you run against someone you can't point out the failures of third-way centrism they advocate, apparently. and i'd generally put losing an election on the person who lost the election, but that's just me


SolRo - 2020-01-27

Bernie ran a very toxic primary campaign against Hillary and got his bro’s so riled up that it didn’t matter what he said when he campaigned for Hillary after the campaign. the ‘true bernie bro’s’ refused to vote democratic and trump won. We still have one of those idiots here, even after all these years of trump


William Burns - 2020-01-27

I ask again, what was so toxic about Bernie's campaign? I voted for Hillary in the Presidential Election, BTW.


Meerkat - 2020-01-27

Sanders wasn't the problem. Voters were the problem.


William Burns - 2020-01-28

Voters weren't the problem, either. The Electoral College is consistently the problem. It's the only reason fucking Republicans get elected anymore.


Hazelnut - 2020-01-28

@WilliamBurns here’s an old Washington Post article on how Bernie delayed conceding and endorsing for ages: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix /wp/2016/07/12/four-reasons-bernie-sanders-waited-so-long-to-endor se-hillary-clinton/%3foutputType=amp

I remember, he was so slow and reluctant many people didn’t believe he meant that, and Trump capitalised on it.

Now today he seems to be pulling the same kinds of games, all but calling Warren a liar: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/15/politics /bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-debate-audio/index.html

At the very least it’s a demeaning and disrespectful way to treat your female colleagues.


Marlon Brawndo - 2020-01-28

I hope Bernie does win the primary just so all of you have to eat shit and vote for him.

The truth is, he pulled for Hillary hard and she did nothing but complain about him and blame him for her personal failures afterward. What an amazing and inspiring leader she is.


teethsalad - 2020-01-28

"At the very least it’s a demeaning and disrespectful way to treat your female colleagues."

politics isn't beanbag - if he were to treat them with "kid gloves" because they were women that would also be more than a little slimy. I doubt there's a whole lot of female politicians who want to be treated differently. he has certain positions and political ideals that he's not willing to compromise - and whether or not you agree with him it's absurd to expect him, or any candidate, to be automatically deferential to other candidates who opposed and mocked the change they want to see in this country

(also held my nose and voted for hillary, for the record, despite the lack of a robust DNC primary/caucus process.)


Nominal - 2020-01-28

Let's not argue. Bernie cult of personality ego AND his Pyrrhic zealot supporters were too!

I've seen the #NoOneButBERNIE hashtag floating around everywhere, including an anti-vaxxer facebook friend :\


Nominal - 2020-01-28

^are to blame too

damn that's a typo


William Burns - 2020-01-28

Waiting until you're beaten to concede: Normal.
The other link: Broken

This sounds like a whole lot of special pleading over a pretty mild primary campaign
on Bernie's part.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-28

>>>Biden, Warren and Sanders all poll well against Trump, why pick the one with the worst policies who's also a godawful public speaker.

I remember when Michael Dukakis was polling well, REALLY well, against George H W Bush.

To be clear, I'm not supporting Biden, I'm rebutting attacks on Biden. There are four front runners, and by the time the Democratic primaries get to my state, I could see myself voting for any one of them. But Joe Biden is going to be the hardest for Trump to run against. Trump has subverted his entire government in an effort to discredit Biden. He never mentions Bernie Sanders. That should tell you everything about who Trump would rather be running against. For Republicans, running against Sanders may be successful or unsuccessful, but they're going to know exactly how to do it.

There's also the issue of governing. This might be a good time for.a lunge to the left, but the right, which is a train wreck right now, but will probably be.energized. The War will continue. And it bugs me that Sanders isn't a Democrat. It makes me question his ability to build.alliances.

Incidentally, I love Warren. She's who I'd most like to see in the White House. But who I'd most like to see run against Trump is a separate question.


Hazelnut - 2020-01-28

@William Burns, I think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree here. It seems to me that Bernie was beaten LONG before he conceded, knew he couldn’t win, and kept at it for ego reasons. It also seems to me that the consequences speak for themselves. But of course he was in his rights not to concede until the very last possible minute. And to be fair, he probably assumed Trump couldn’t possibly win.

@teethsalad if the only victim of Bernie’s “hardball” was Hillary I wouldn’t be bothered. I happen to think that in this the election result was a disastrous nightmare the country and the world, which makes me less excited about those “ideals he refuses to compromise”.

@MB no reply since he is a race-baiting troll


Hazelnut - 2020-01-28

@JHM I’m with you, my personal pick for President would be Warren, my pick for candidate against Trump when I vote in the primary will probably be Biden.


William Burns - 2020-01-28

@Hazelnut Many (most) news organizations rewarded the superdelegates vote to Hillary long before the vote actually took place. That isn't how the process was supposed to work. Superdelegates have always voted in lockstep with their districts. In this case, they were being used to artificially inflate Hillary's delegate count, to pressure Bernie to drop out early.

The fact that he spent the rest of the election campaigning for Clinton also seems to have been conveniently forgotten by his detractors.


Gmork - 2020-01-28

The fact biden is even an option is why trump will most likely win again. Everyone is fucking stupid.


Hazelnut - 2020-01-28

@William Burns, that’s very fair, and anyway I don’t want to hold a grudge. I withdraw my complaint about Bernie. I’m happily and firmly in favour of any of the three.

It’s the lesson from the last century: the centrists and the socialists can only afford to indulge in catfighting AFTER we’ve crushed the fascists.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-28

>>>Many (most) news organizations rewarded the superdelegates vote to Hillary long before the vote actually took place. That isn't how the process was supposed to work.

No, that's exactly what superdelegates are for.


William Burns - 2020-01-29

Oh, they're just there to subvert democracy, for our own good. I've heard that same thing about the Electoral College. Superdelegates have never been used that way before, and they won't be again due to the new rules in place.


Hazelnut - 2020-01-29

Now, let’s not go too overboard with the ‘subvert democracy’. Weren’t you just saying politics is hardball? I hate the Electoral College too, but every electoral system in the world has its quirks.


teethsalad - 2020-01-29

"I happen to think that in this the election result was a disastrous nightmare the country and the world, which makes me less excited about those “ideals he refuses to compromise”.

...and I also think Trump has been a disaster. And, once again, he didn't lose the election. Trump is not his fault. There were a number of actions the Clinton campaign could have undertaken to try and actually win. Like campaigning in Wisconsin instead of trying to play motherfucking moneyball. His ideals were not on the ballot. Hillary Clinton's melba-toast third way costco centrism was. Fuck's sake, buddy. C'mon.

If you don't like Sanders, or his ideas, or his goals, that's MORE THAN FINE, but don't try and paint him as some saboteur for not bending the knee sufficiently


That guy - 2020-01-29

"Sanders... I still haven’t forgiven him for putting Trump in office in the first place"


jesus christ Hazelnut you're a motherfucking idiot


Hazelnut - 2020-01-30

@That_guy You know, there’s a nice way to express a disagreement.


Miss Henson's 6th grade class - 2020-01-27

I'd be okay if he had just introduced a bill to ban happy hardcore.


William Burns - 2020-01-27

*THIS IS THE JOE BIDEN SPEAKING*
*THIS CLUB IS CLOSED... FOREVAH*


Chicken the Did - 2020-01-28

Just for that, Miss Henson...


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-28

I have way more issues with Bernie's supporters than I do with Bernie himself.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-28

I've already one long pointless John Cleese style debate ("Yes it is"! "No it isn't"!) in here about Hilary Clinton referencing the "superpredator" theory that became a moral panic in the 90s to promote the Clinton crime bill. Here's a good source for information on that.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000006609864/teach-cars-to -drive.html?playlistId=video/retro-report

It's a valid thing to criticize Hillary Clinton over. It was a case of junk science being used to promote bad policy. However, I'm not convinced it was automatically a racist dogwhistle, and I can't tell you how many times I encountered Bernie supporters turning it into "SHE SAID BLACK KIDS AND HISPANIC KIDS WERE ANIMALS WHO NEEDED TO BE LOCKED UP." Really, in so many words!


William Burns - 2020-01-29

She also voted for the wars and voted for the patriot act.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-01-29

Yes, she did, and while I think it would have been unteneble for a Senator from New York to do otherwise in 2002, considering the intelligence the Bush adminisration had cooked up, yeah, that happened. Zero Pinnochios


fedex - 2020-01-29

Burnsie for the win


Ocyrus - 2020-01-31

Liberals get the bullet, too.


Nominal - 2020-01-31

^classic classy Bernie supporters, ladies & gents


Hazelnut - 2020-01-31

Or troll playing as a Bernie supporter, to be fair. There are plenty of those.


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