But Rous doesn't hate jerks, just women.

This sort of behavior knows no boundaries of class, race, nationality, gender, or ideology. The only thing that varies is the details of how it's expressed.

Exactly. Feminism is not the problem. Undiagnosed and untreated mental illness is.

The real problem is she's a Leo.

Honest question: if this were a screaming street preacher, would you say religion isn't the problem?

That's such a dumb comparison that it doesn't merit an answer

The kind of illness that is the bread and butter of identity politics in all its many contradictory varieties and warring factions, which rarely have more than the most superficial connection to the labels they've taken on as their identities, despite being standard tools used to mobilize political opposition.

Watched it twice. No idea what the fuck is going on here.

Could there be a backstory? Could these people have some history before the video was shot? I didn't see anything to rule it out, but if someone doesn't want you day hello to them, don't. It's not a big problem.

I agree, Zirc. Assholes try to wrap themselves in a moralizing ideology to give themselves an excuse to act like assholes. Just like this woman. Just like SolRo!

Nobody crying foul here though would ever think to give the same kind of leeway towards things they don't like. If it's religion, gamers, or whatever else JHMF offers up in his dusty old man farts, then suddenly it's a hivemind culture that's inherently evil and needs to be destroyed.

SolRo and Burns are ALWAYS the first ones to do this. The idea of them demanding a humanizing look at individuals rather than making blanket "othering" assumptions is hypocrisy of the highest order.

There could be a backstory but I wouldn't be at all suprrised if we're seeing the whole thing here. This basic exchange isn't that uncommon at all. The role change but the structure stays pretty much the same. I see something like this go down a few times a month, and I don't even get out that much these days.

This is nothing compared to thewoman I saw explode at a McDonalds a while bakc because someone in line said the word "shit" in a phone conversation and her 13 year old son (who she was dropping off at pro wrestling camp) heard it. I stuck around for about 5 minutes of the ensuing screaming and lawsuit threats (all completely one sided, although the guy did eventually break down and give her the finger before walking out, which only made things get more out of hand in his absence), and it was only just starting to slow down when I left.

I was commuting on a different bus line for a whole last year and something like this would happen two or three times a week, usually aimed at the bus driver. Saw a pair of middle aged (white) women with expensive clothes and new iPhones scream at a (black) bus driver for nearly 10 minutes about abusing his privilege as a bus driver (their words) because he stopped the bus at the legally designated stop and then waited for them instead of stopping a block away in the middle of a busy intersection where they had been waiting. Which was one of the more ridiculous ones but not that out of the ordinary.


Point being, this just seems like business as usual for a city to me.

basically it's the fact that can't see themselves in what ROUS is doing here despite it being the same behavior they constantly indulge in themselves.

That is a really odd set of assumptions you're starting from, JHM.

Gee, I wonder why someone might question your motives as a social progressive?

What Nominal said.

"Honest question: if this were a screaming street preacher, would you say religion isn't the problem?"

We'd be able to say with some authority that the person being an asshole is religious in your example and it would then still be a matter of opinion if religion was the problem, as opposed to a religious person just being an asshole.

In the above video the woman is being an asshole, and tosses the words 'sexual harrassment' into the mix which appears to be what triggers the poetv edgy brigade and the 'REKT FEMINIST' channel to label her as a 'feminist'.

I don't hear her ranting about the wage gap, or patriarchy, or intersectionality et al so it seems a flimsy premise upon which to label the video or this ranting madwoman as having -any- connection to feminism whatsoever.

So to answer your question: We could at least show that the preacher -is- a religious asshole, whereas all we see of this woman is that she's an asshole, the 'feminist' part is an assumption with a nakedly ideological motive.

"basically it's the fact that can't see themselves in what ROUS is doing here despite it being the same behavior they constantly indulge in themselves."

they as in SolRo and company or the people in this video? Because I'm really too lazy to emulate either.

I am more of a chaos fairy, spreading the dust of unsettling angst over society slowly falling. You're welcome, PoeTV.

I would raise this to 5 for evil if it wasn't coming from the wrong place. ROUS, I don't like whatever it is the fuck you've become or why you've become it. You changed a lot since you started posting here a long time ago.

We submit evil shit for being evil... There are a million sites where these people can watch "feminists get rekt."
You are not submitting this because of the evilness of the footage, you are engaging in the thought process of the channel, which is why you are becoming a garbage person.

Are you enraged by political correctness and black lives matter? What's going on?

Feminism has been preaching for the last couple of years that any man who exhibits a behavior in public other than averting their eyes in the presence of Her Royal Highness Womyn is a street harasser and pretty much worse than Hitler. They also praise women who display their entitlement by berating strangers for "harassment." There is a direct line from mid-teens feminism to this behavior. There's not a lot of dot-connecting necessary, it's pretty much just 1-2.

I realize you all think that No True Feminist is capable of anything but exemplary in unimpeachable behavior, but I would like to introduce you to a little messy thing I like to call the real world.

I love that you also try to pin the blame on mental illness. We are not so quick to excuse men for their public temper tantrums, because we have an expectation that they act like adults. Feminism works hand-in-hand with the norms of traditional gender roles to ensure that an onerous expectation of adult behavior is NEVER imposed on women, and that their behavior always has an excuse.

What we have here is someone who's been taught that it's righteous and desirable to berate a stranger for any reason she feels like, because feminism has taught her that her feelings are an infallible guide of when she's being "harassed" or "microaggressed", and feminism has also taught her that publically "calling out" her "harassers" is also righteous, and her right to do.

There is not a single element of this video that calls for an explanation more complex than "contemporary feminism."

This fucking guy again.

>Grandmaster funk said "Waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaa!"

Show me on the doll where the woman refused to touch you.

Oh, I am SO stealing that!

I'm stealing it first!

It should be, but then the crybaby MRA contingent wouldn't have their easy strawwomen feminists to take potshots at.

It should, but ROUS is trying to become the new orcs

I'm only your personal orcs.

I love you that much.

yeah, i think ROUS is confusing a feminist for a gang-stalking nutjob

I assumed she was at least attached to the feminist movement because she was claiming sexual harassment. I tried to find the original upload but couldn't. If anyone finds it, please post a link because I want to know what is on this woman's mind.

I think claiming sexual harassment is one of those things that feminists brought into the culture but is now so widespread that it's accepted practice even by women who aren't feminists.

wat

Most of my best friends are women. I never had what I would call a traumatic experience with a woman, at least not outside my immediate family.

Are you all huffing today?

Well, RoUS kind of ruined his own brand by posting videos from white pride Web sites in order to say "see? BLM are the REAL racists". Then he took to tiptoeing around it by posting a video of some crazy woman who is at best tangentially connected to BLM, and merely IMPLYING his message of "see? BLM are the REAL racists" until prodded in the comments.

So when RoUS just kinda posts something that makes a generally-constructive movement look bad by association, people get suspicious. That's on RoUS.

I haven't really tiptoed. And by racist site you mean Youtube? Yeah, I didn't bother to check the channel user's personal beliefs. It was a video where black people were forming a lynch mob to beat the shit out of or kill white people because race riots are fun, kids. And then everyone went nuts and said I must be a white supremacist, because black people are special snowflakes who can't be racist themselves. Just me.

BLM is full of denialism and I've called out the fact that their rhetoric is as bad as anything the Tea Party ever produced in overlooking the more violent outbursts, mood, and thematic rampant racial hatred commonly found among their protests.

The woman in the other video (actually there were two, one that tried to incite murdering police and a woman who went apeshit verbally attacking a dude at some city hall meeting) were both DEFINITELY in the BLM movement. And nuts.

And of late I have embraced my new purpose, which is to laugh at SJW's for overreacting to literally everything and calling motherfucking everything on earth racist. I can't win with SJW's and neither can anyone else who is remotely sane.

Everything is terrible. This is why we can't have nice things.

And I have had way worse emotional outbursts/emotional instability in the past so I have barely touched my brand THANK YOU.

Although I did push the envelope into Trollsville with the racebait vid where blacks were wanting to beat the shit out of whites, I kind of posted it just to see what the reaction here would be, not knowing anything about the Youtube poster that had reposted it from the inital viral site.

Basically, I've lost at least two close friends to BLM, one white and one mixed who after knowing me for 20 or 10 years respectively, called me racist for not bowing down to their agenda. And yes, I do think white people calling other white people racist for not jumping on board the BLM bandwagon is really stupid. I completely disagree with the methods for attention seeking and divisiveness that are INHERENT in the BLM movement. I think their rhetoric and ideology is dangerous based on both their reverence of Assata Shakur (who was a murderer, not a revolutionary) as well as their previously stated denialism.

BLM is a cult that promotes shame, guilt, vindictive labeling, and humiliation of people that disagree with them. Do I disagree with the struggle for black rights? No. I just think that the way they are going about it, like fucking up traffic as they block highways in human chains and endanger people's jobs, is beyond fucking retarded.

The Tea Party was also a cult, although no one in that movement wanted to admit it.

All of the people I know that have joined BLM are good people and they want to help black people achieve true equality. One of them posts here and I admire him more than I can say. I would love nothing more than to see the entire education system reformed. I would love to see the prison system reformed (not just for black people) as well. I think a lot of people are suffering in the US, but the idea that only black people are suffering from these problems is ludicrous. That's just the way I see it.

I don't think you meant bad, Rodents, but I still had to one-star you because I hate this subgenre of youtube videos, where someone takes a perfectly good freakout vid and politicizes it by adding a political label to the person freaking out. It ruins the fun and is simple-mindedly dishonest.

See also: the scores of videos on youtube where a black person raises their voice and is thus labeled a "BLM protestor," regardless of whether there's any sign they're associated with that movement. Or one where a Latino person does it and are labeled an "illegal immigrant," and so forth.

>>I don't think you meant bad, Rodents, but I still had to one-star you because I hate this subgenre of youtube videos, where someone takes a perfectly good freakout vid and politicizes it by adding a political label to the person freaking out. It ruins the fun and is simple-mindedly dishonest.

This is actually what I would have said if I'd bothered to weigh in with a comprehensive criticism of this video. But I didn't, because it's pretty self-evident that the attempt to forcibly drag feminism into this is just nonsense, and I didn't think anyone would need me to point that out.

>>Gee, I wonder why someone might question your motives as a social progressive?

Dumbest fucking question I've heard all day. In relation to this bullshit video, you might as well question my taste in salad dressing.

"Basically, I've lost at least two close friends to BLM, one white and one mixed who after knowing me for 20 or 10 years respectively, called me racist for not bowing down to their agenda."

I think they got confused because you say and believe racist things.

And I don't imagine anyone believes you when you say the likes of, "although I did push the envelope into Trollsville with the racebait vid where blacks were wanting to beat the shit out of whites, I kind of posted it just to see what the reaction here would be, not knowing anything about the Youtube poster that had reposted it from the inital viral site." While nobody can actually disprove your motives as you describe them, it's vastly more likely that you're a racist who tries to weasel out of it when called on it.

Do you ever consider the possibility that you're turning into a real piece of shit? You ought to. I don't mean your usual base level of self-loathing that you've lived with all your life; I'm talking new forms of shittiness that put you on the side of, history will be unkind to you.

Who is screaming?

Really, EH, your schtick has gotten really sloppy lately.

"TeenerTot Screams at EH For Posting a Comment"

Racism generalizes by skin tone, misogyny generalizes by gender.

The people who are opposed to racism, sexism, etc. generally pick their targets because of BEHAVIOR.

"Black people commit more crimes"

"Women make false rape accusations"

These are behaviors and generalizations that a racist or a misogynist might use in an attempt to legitimize their hatred.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.

Minus star for misleading title. All I see here is racism and anger on full display, and a dumbfounded shirtless man.

If that was totally true, absolutely no one would have defended Trigglypuff.

I pointed it out for nothing but the hilarity from SolRo of all people demanding a more thought out stance before passing blanket condemnation.

I defended Triggleypuff. I thought she was sort of badass.

"If that was totally true, absolutely no one would have defended Trigglypuff."

It wasn't so much defending her as it was calling out the general attitude that she somehow represents ALL SJWS LOL REKT that all the edgier denizens of this place apparently take as gospel. You made that same failed analogy about street preachers then too.

Do you all need hand fans? I can get you some hand fans.

Flasks of smelling salts, good sir.

Some people on POETV can't handle seeing their own reflections.

Just because I can't see my reflection from lack of a soul doesn't mean I don't have FEELINGS.

If a person says hello to you, and you don't want them to -that's fine - but there is absolutely no justification for becoming mad at them for it, seeing as it's absolutely normal, genial human behavior.

If this man had continued saying "hello" to her, or otherwise engaging her, AFTER being told that it "wasn't okay" for whatever reason (racism, in this case), then she might have a point.

Even if that were the case, the face she's going absolutely ballistic on him like this and stopping her car in the middle of her lane to get out and throw racial slurs at him is 100% unjustified.

the fact*

'Racial slurs'

She says 'yo white ass' ONCE in this video. Since when is that even considered a slur?

Seriously, you're reaching way too hard dude.

Clearly you also turned your brain off when she said "honkey".

If a white person was angry and yelling at a black person and said "Your black ass!" you'd all be up in arms and hating the shit out of that white supremacist redneck piece of shit.

Don't even fucking try to act like you're not displaying a blatantly obvious double-standard.

It's not that racial epithets directed at white people aren't wrong. They are, but carrying on like a whiny little bitch about how EVERYBODY PICKS ON WHITE GUYS is incredibly bad form, and really embarrassing to those of us who would like to have a little dignity about the whole thing.

Where in this video? For real, she calls him bitch a lot, calls him a fat 'folky' (or could be oakie but definitely not 'Honky') mufugga at 58s, mentions his 'white ass' once, calls him a drunk, a weirdo, crazy, calls the other chick a ho. Calls them both wimps and bitches.

You're REACHING dude. Big time.

and this bs:

"If a white person was angry and yelling at a black person and said "Your black ass!" you'd all be up in arms and hating the shit out of that white supremacist redneck piece of shit."

It's almost like that would be a different scenario isn't it? With a different context even!

"Don't even fucking try to act like you're not displaying a blatantly obvious double-standard."

Some of you guys live for these supposed 'gotcha' equivocations, the thing is they are utterly sophomoric 'an apple -is- an orange, they're both fruit' oversimplifications.

Here's some simplification for you:
The school bully beats the shit out of John every day for 4 years, calling him all sorts of names that the rest of the school start using too, the popular kids start calling him 'Faggy McFaggerson' or whatever and as time goes on he experiences a daily barrage of shit from many kids that keeps him on the bottom rung socially and contributes to a general atmosphere that John is fair game for beating the fuck out of, or otherwise treating like dirt, the teachers don't help John because the bully is good at football and his dad is friends with the Principal and the Regional Superintendent.

John one day says to the bully 'Yeah well y-y-you're a shithead' but no one uses it against the bully, it doesn't harm the bully's social standing one bit, no one treats him any differently and John still gets his face punched in on the daily and no effective help from the teachers or principal.

To you, these are totally the same thing and John is -JUST AS BAD- as the bully. Anyone seeing this who doesn't call out John's insult as being just as shitty is clearly using some 'double-standard!!!1'.

Honestly man, this is pretty fucking basic stuff but sure, let's pretend like they're exactly the same thing while we're pretending we heard her say 'honky' lol

baleen, are you trying to say that every minority that goes ballistic on someone is justified because of historical bullying?

" They are, but carrying on like a whiny little bitch about how EVERYBODY PICKS ON WHITE GUYS is incredibly bad form, "

Are you telling me you're actually stupid enough to think that's what I was saying? That "everybody picks on white guys"?

No, you fucking imbecile, I'm saying "racism is wrong and deserves to be called-out and not minimalized and trivialized because of someone's race".

You're REALLY trying hard to not admit you're a hypocrite.

"calls him a fat 'folky' (or could be oakie but definitely not 'Honky') "

It's honkey. Open your fucking ears.

"It's almost like that would be a different scenario isn't it? With a different context even!"

Role reversal creates a COMPLETELY different scenario?

Are you really that retarded? All we'd be doing is reversing the races, the actions of two individuals would stay the same. In one scenario, you're excusing bad behavior. In the other, you're calling it out.

Give me a fucking break you intellectually dishonest piece of shit.

"It's honkey. Open your fucking ears."

Gmork 2016~ "I want to believe."

"Some of you guys live for these supposed 'gotcha' equivocations, the thing is they are utterly sophomoric 'an apple -is- an orange, they're both fruit' oversimplifications."

'You guys'? Oh, I see, you're generalizing from some internal bias you have against whatever it is you THINK I am, rather than take what I say at face value. Typical.

Two human beings are not an apples to oranges comparison. Being a different color is not a comparison of apple to orange, it's a comparison of Golden Delicious to Fuji. Jesus christ you're dumb.

You'll literally say anything to diminish racism. I'm not sure why, that seems like the kind of motivation that a racist would have.

"Here's some simplification for you:
The school bully beats the shit out of John every day for 4 years, calling him all sorts of names that the rest of the school start using too, the popular kids start calling him 'Faggy McFaggerson' or whatever and as time goes on he experiences a daily barrage of shit from many kids that keeps him on the bottom rung socially and contributes to a general atmosphere that John is fair game for beating the fuck out of, or otherwise treating like dirt, the teachers don't help John because the bully is good at football and his dad is friends with the Principal and the Regional Superintendent.

John one day says to the bully 'Yeah well y-y-you're a shithead' but no one uses it against the bully, it doesn't harm the bully's social standing one bit, no one treats him any differently and John still gets his face punched in on the daily and no effective help from the teachers or principal.

To you, these are totally the same thing and John is -JUST AS BAD- as the bully. Anyone seeing this who doesn't call out John's insult as being just as shitty is clearly using some 'double-standard!!!1'.

Honestly man, this is pretty fucking basic stuff but sure, let's pretend like they're exactly the same thing while we're pretending we heard her say 'honky' lol"

...

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. You literally just tried to make the justification that it's okay for black people to be racist against white people because of systemic oppression.

That is the most unintelligent thing I've ever heard you say. The fact you actually used the "bully" comparison says literally everything about you anyone could need to know.

"It's okay to be blatantly racist against white people because white people generally aren't affected by it, at least anywhere near the amount that black people are."

You're actually making the argument that because systemic oppression exists, it's okay to attack individuals who aren't part of that systemic oppression - they just happen to bear the same skin color.

Gee, now where do generalizations like that usually come from... Oh, that's right, racist pieces of shit.

I honestly can't believe you're this stupid.

"It's oakey, or folkey"
bawbag 2016 ~I want to believe~

ROUS called bawbag baleen

Not cool. Nobody should ever be confused with bawbag.

"HOLY FUCKING SHIT. You literally just tried to... [Gmork signature move: the strawman]"

Way to ace reading comprehension there Sparky. Thanks for proving my point.

No part of my response had a strawman. I accurately represented your argument.

Your "Bully" represents systemic oppression. You're attributing the actions of this "bully" to 'anyone who's white'.

Your "victim" represents people oppressed by said systems, and in this case black people.

The problem with this argument is that it has no bearing on individuals who have no prior history treating each other like shit because of their skin color.

You seem to be running out of steam. Is it because you know you're wrong? Or are you just lazy in general?

At least I'm not constantly misrepresenting the other person's argument. Your argument is a strawman in itself - I'm tearing it down because it sucks. I didn't create that strawman, you stuffed and mounted it yourself.

"No part of my response had a strawman. I accurately represented your argument."

You truly believe that hahaha

"Your "Bully" represents systemic oppression. You're attributing the actions of this "bully" to 'anyone who's white'."

No, the bully represents an individual racist, backed up by systemic racism (his dad, the principal, the teachers, the other kids)

Nice 'accurate representation' glad I had to literally spell it out for you, holy shit.

"Your "victim" represents people oppressed by said systems, and in this case black people."

You at least got this part correct.

"The problem with this argument is that it has no bearing on individuals who have no prior history treating each other like shit because of their skin color."

"Racism exists in a vacuum and is individual", you're continuing to prove my earlier points. Thanks.

"You seem to be running out of steam. Is it because you know you're wrong? Or are you just lazy in general?"

You appear to be projecting.

"At least I'm not constantly misrepresenting the other person's argument. "

*points at the myriad examples of you doing just that*

"No, the bully represents an individual racist, backed up by systemic racism (his dad, the principal, the teachers, the other kids)"

That literally changes nothing about your argument.

" "Racism exists in a vacuum and is individual", you're continuing to prove my earlier points. Thanks."

Now THAT is a misrepresentation of my argument. Of course racism doesn't exist in a vacuum, but racist acts are entirely individual. Individuals have the option of being racist or not - it's a choice, not something thrust upon you by society. You can become a part of a racist culture or you can reject it and refuse to become racist yourself because of systemic oppression or experiences you've had where people have been racist towards you.

"You appear to be projecting."

Not in the slightest.

"*points at the myriad examples of you doing just that*"

Except that you've failed to do so. Utterly.

I don't even think you understand your own argument. What is it you think I stand for? What is it exactly that you're even trying to say? You're becoming less coherent as this progresses.

It's also kind of hilarious that you're using a "bully" for your example - considering how much of a bully the woman in this video is.

"It's also kind of hilarious..." gmork 'gotcha' once again.

Yeah dude, truly I can sense the mirth in your angrily hammered out responses where you -still- need it spelled out like a 5 year old.

""It's also kind of hilarious..." gmork 'gotcha' once again."

You're clearly working off your own internal bias. You can call it "gotcha", but what it actually is, is finding a glaring flaw in your argument. One you don't even have the intelligence to form a real counterargument to.

"Yeah dude, truly I can sense the mirth in your angrily hammered out responses where you -still- need it spelled out like a 5 year old."

I haven't needed you to "spell anything out". When you attempt to reiterate, you're simply repeating yourself with new words. I've yet to hear you actually make a case against anything I've said - you simply try to weasel out of admitting that your initial argument was flawed.

Your short, incoherent by-rote refutations aren't an argument. They're lazy.

"but what it actually is, is" gmork fighting bespoke strawmen and declaring himself the victor of whatever the fuck contest he thinks he's in.

Completely incorrect. Your argument is indefensible, crying "Strawman!" where one doesn't exist is a pitiful and desperate last effort on your part.

>>Are you really that retarded? All we'd be doing is reversing the races, the actions of two individuals would stay the same. In one scenario, you're excusing bad behavior. In the other, you're calling it out.

A compulsive literalness bordering on Aspergers.

No one's saying that this isn't bad behavior.

Bawbag is excusing it because of the races involved. Being literal about someone's meaning is the correct route for calling out hypocrisy.

"Bawbag is excusing it because of the races involved."

That's exactly what i'm -not- doing, again with the poor reading comprehension. :^)

Ahem, you said in your analogy:

"John one day says to the bully 'Yeah well y-y-you're a shithead' but no one uses it against the bully, it doesn't harm the bully's social standing one bit, no one treats him any differently and John still gets his face punched in on the daily and no effective help from the teachers or principal."

Again, that hamfisted analogy story that effectively describes "white priviledge" as if it's existence somehow justifies the minimizing of racist acts towards one race. Not justifying the act of racism, but justifying your attempt to downplay it.

If you tell me that you weren't trying to downplay it, you're either a liar or have the memory of a goldfish, seeing as I included a pertinent example in this very fucking post.

So if you really do oppose the notion that systemic oppression gives you carte blanche justification for being racist, I don't know what the fuck you're even still arguing about.

Gmork, once again misunderstands the entire argument being laid out in front of him in excruciatingly boring detail and takes a swing at the argument he's having with himself.

LOL wew.

bawbag, your metaphor story is shit. I just wanted to tell you that. You think all white people are bullies and all black people are victims. Bravo. It's like you've achieved anti-sentience.

Don't forget the 35% "I was into ironic detachment before it was cool"

Because I fall into the former I would NEVER forget about the latter.

haha fair play.

:)

Yelling racial slurs at someone isn't "doing harm" but saying hello is?

Gotcha.

'Yo white ass' is a racial slur now? Yet it's the SJW's who're oversensitive, fainting church ladies? Riiiiiiight.

>>>>Yelling racial slurs at someone isn't "doing harm" but saying hello is?

>>>>Gotcha

Clearly, you don't. Saying hello is, of course, also harmless. Nothing that happens in this video is actually harmful to anyone.

Clearly you turned your brain off when she said "honkey".

So no words harm anyone? It's okay to call black people niggers and that's not doing any harm? Great logic.

Oh, I get it, because the racial slur "honkey" is aimed at white people, it doesn't count. Because they're white.

Gotcha.

Did I mention that she was being horrible. Why, yes, I did! This discussion is too stupid to continue, and I think you should go fuck yourself, and fuck your ridiculously petty indignation over a silly you tube video.

Got that?

"So no words harm anyone? It's okay to call black people niggers and that's not doing any harm? Great logic.

Oh, I get it, because the racial slur "honkey" is aimed at white people, it doesn't count. Because they're white."

Yeah, for sure the last 300 or so years the word 'honkey' has been really really harmful to white people, it's EXACTLY analogous to 'nigger'

ffs grow up man.

Bawbag you're a fucking moron. There are plenty of black people who can shrug off someone calling them nigger - that doesn't mean the act of racism agianst them is okay just because it "didn't do them harm".

Jesus fucking christ, listen to yourself. What a complete and utter hypocrite.

Somehow I knew you were stupid enough to pull the "yeah but honkey is an ineffective term" approach.

You're right - the racist slurs for white people are generally not very effective. Doesn't at all diminish the hatred and ill intent of the person saying it, which is the entire fucking point.

My god, you're stupid.

"This discussion is too stupid to continue,"

Your withdrawl from it would help immensely.

"and fuck your ridiculously petty indignation over a silly you tube video."

It's petty to call out racism? Whatever you say, Adolf.

"Bawbag you're a fucking moron. There are plenty of black people who can shrug off someone calling them nigger - that doesn't mean the act of racism agianst them is okay just because it "didn't do them harm"."

Yeah, while we're pretending that I apparently said 'racism is okay against whites' and pretending that she definitely said honkey and that it's 100% equivocal to 'nigger' let's add another pretence to it:

------Gmork - "Let's pretend systemic racism isn't a thing, racism just exists in a contextless vacuum and the actual harm racism causes has NOTHING TO DO WITH the reason it's so reviled..."------

-I'm- the moron though hahaha riiiight dude.

"Somehow I knew you were stupid enough to pull the "yeah but honkey is an ineffective term" approach.

You're right - the racist slurs for white people are generally not very effective. Doesn't at all diminish the hatred and ill intent of the person saying it, which is the entire fucking point."

It isn't the 'entire fucking point' though, if it was racism would be a purely individual issue, rather than also feeding into massive, centuries long directly-harmful-systemic-racism that is at the fucking heart of the difference that harebrained mouthy cunts like yourself somehow, repeatedly manage to ignore in your false analogies.

"My god, you're stupid."

You're the guy who repeatedly shows -barely- a basic understanding of the issue you're spouting off about, or who throws in a lazy hit-n-run strawman but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt;

You're not stupid.

You are just stubbornly, wilfully ignorant of anything that doesn't fit your preconceived stances and anyone who differs from that belief system of yours you go absolutely fucking bugnuts in angrily screeching at.

"Yeah, while we're pretending that I apparently said 'racism is okay against whites' and pretending that she definitely said honkey and that it's 100% equivocal to 'nigger' let's add another pretence to it:"

You're the only one here that thinks anyone's saying "it's 100% equivocal to nigger".

No, you moron, it's 100% equivocal to racism in general. The "intensity" is subjective, the point is the intent behind it - hate based on race. How dumb can you be to overlook this?

"------Gmork - "Let's pretend systemic racism isn't a thing, racism just exists in a contextless vacuum and the actual harm racism causes has NOTHING TO DO WITH the reason it's so reviled..."------"

Putting words in my mouth because you can't attack what I'm actually saying, which is as simple as "racism is wrong and you shouldn't trivialize it just because it's happening to one specific race."

You think it's fine and dandy for white people to have hatred thrown at them because of their race. That is what's being discussed.

"-I'm- the moron though hahaha riiiight dude."

Correct.

"It isn't the 'entire fucking point' though, if it was racism would be a purely individual issue, rather than also feeding into massive, centuries long directly-harmful-systemic-racism that is at the fucking heart of the difference that harebrained mouthy cunts like yourself somehow, repeatedly manage to ignore in your false analogies."

Once again your argument is a thinly-veiled attempt at saying "It's okay to be racist against white people because systemic oppression."

You clearly like dealing with generalities rather than individuals. However, individuals are the ones in these scenarios, not entire races. An entire race isn't responsible for the actions of an individual, and vice versa. The only argument I'm making here is "people shouldn't be shitty to each other based on preconceived notions".

Is that REALLY something you need to disagree with in such a childish fashion?

"You're the guy who repeatedly shows -barely- a basic understanding of the issue you're spouting off about, or who throws in a lazy hit-n-run strawman but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt;"

You literally just described yourself.

"You are just stubbornly, wilfully ignorant of anything that doesn't fit your preconceived stances and anyone who differs from that belief system of yours you go absolutely fucking bugnuts in angrily screeching at."

Holy shit, again - describing yourself perfectly.

Once again, I'll reiterate since you don't seem to fucking get it:

My stance is simple - don't trivialize racism because of the race of a person involved. Unless you have a problem with that notion, you shouldn't even be fucking arguing with me in the first place.

Grow the fuck up.

Gmork now: "You're the only one here that thinks anyone's saying "it's 100% equivocal to nigger".

Gmork then: "No, you fucking imbecile, I'm saying "racism is wrong and deserves to be called-out and not minimalized and trivialized because of someone's race". "

"it's 100% equivocal to racism in general. The "intensity" is subjective, the point is the intent behind it - hate based on race."

AKA racism is racism is racism, let's ignore the inconvenient context for black people that doesn't fit Gmork's rant. Also let

"Putting words in my mouth..."

Dude, that's literally your M.O in nearly every fucking thread. You're doing it here repeatedly:

Example 1: "You think it's fine and dandy for white people to have hatred thrown at them because of their race."

Example 2: "Once again your argument is a thinly-veiled attempt at saying "It's okay to be racist against white people because systemic oppression."

"You clearly like dealing with generalities rather than individuals. However, individuals are the ones in these scenarios, not entire races."

Systemic racism, which overwhelmingly affects PoCs is not an individual issue.

"Is that REALLY something you need to disagree with in such a childish fashion?"

Re-read your posts in this thread man, do you think what you provided was a measured, adult response in the slightest?

e.g "You literally just described yourself." AKA "NO U!"
"Holy shit, again - describing yourself perfectly." AKA "I'M RUBBER UR GLUE"

"My stance is simple - don't trivialize racism because of the race of a person involved."

That is nice and simple, shame that racism absolutely isn't that simple.
It's not trivialising racism to point out that there's an imbalance in the actual harm caused by it that is determined by racial and historical context, funnily enough.

"AKA racism is racism is racism, let's ignore the inconvenient context for black people"

It's inconvenient to not be able to be racist towards someone who hasn't personally done anything to you because of something their ancestors (and possibly not even THEIR ancestors) have done? Again, you're making excuses for racist behavior.

"Systemic racism, which overwhelmingly affects PoCs is not an individual issue."

And this justifies racism HOW exactly?

"That is nice and simple, shame that racism absolutely isn't that simple."

Racism itself is as simple as it gets - the issues and historical context surrounding racism are the complex matters.

The act itself? That's simple. It's being an asshole to someone based on their ethnicity. You can debate someone's justification for wanting to act that way til the cows come home - none of that changes the fact that someone decided to act like an asshole of their own volition because they didn't like the skin color of another person.

"It's not trivialising racism to point out that there's an imbalance in the actual harm caused by it that is determined by racial and historical context, funnily enough."

Once again, you're simply restating yourself: "It's okay to be racist towards someone if the race they happen to be has a historical precedent for oppression."

Indefensible.

"you're making excuses for racist behavior."
"And this justifies racism HOW exactly?"
"Once again, you're simply restating yourself: "It's okay to be racist towards someone if the race they happen to be has a historical precedent for oppression."

To quote you: "At least I'm not constantly misrepresenting the other person's argument."

Uhhhhh yeah, you really fucking are, over and over again. See above.

"the issues and historical context surrounding racism are the complex matters."

YOU THINK? It's almost like that's what I've been saying and you keep ignoring in your perception of racism as 'simply' 'individual acts of mean words by anybody against anybody else'. Christ on a bike, wew.

"YOU THINK? It's almost like that's what I've been saying and you keep ignoring in your perception of racism as 'simply' 'individual acts of mean words by anybody against anybody else'. Christ on a bike, wew."

Not once have I implied that racism is "'simply' 'individual acts of mean words by anybody against anybody else'."

You completely lose any right to say that I am misconstruing your argument. I'm baffled that someone who on the surface appears to be somewhat intelligent can come to such a ridiculous conclusion based on what I've said.

Racism exists in individuals as much as it exists as a societal construct. My only fucking argument here is that it should never be trivialized because it's going in a direction other than "the usual systemic oppression".

WHAT DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, THEN? It's like you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. You saw I posted something and went "Hey, let me attempt to find some flaw in something Gmork is saying even though we share the SAME FUCKING OPINION on racism!"

>>>It's petty to call out racism? Whatever you say, Adolf.

Hey check it out, fellahs! I'm Hitler!

And it's about time! What took you so long, Gmork?

>>>"It's okay to be racist towards someone if the race they happen to be has a historical precedent for oppression."

No, it's the reverse. It's way way worse to be racist toward someone if they have a historical precedent for being oppressed. And the word "historical" is at misleading, as there are more blacks incarcerated right now than there were slaves before the civil war.

Like I keep saying, the woman's behavior is probably inexcusable. And it's not like white people deserve the abuse just because they're white. They don't. But it's unbelievably cringy for you to get offended by a crazy lady acting obviously crazy in a crazy youtube video, like it's a moral affront, in an era of police shooting and mass incarceration. It makes you look like an asshole, and I won't be joining you.

Don't worry about it, Gmork. You shall overcome.

https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5367706/il_570xN.56546525.jpg

Homer, I love it! Thanks for the gorgeous JPEG, and for caring what I think!

Gmork, your views are incredibly literal and devoid of nuance, but I can respect their consistency. You're not a hypocrite.

But some people don't share your views. Actually, if this was a crazy white lady yelling "cracker" and "your black ass", I might make a joke referencing her racism, but I really wouldn't give a shit.

Nevertheless, I really do believe that simple racist speech toward black people and toward white people are different. It's never RIGHT; it's just much more heinous in one case than in another. That's my own belief, and if I act according to my belief, that means I'm not a hypocrite, either.

"But it's unbelievably cringy for you to get offended by a crazy lady acting obviously crazy in a crazy youtube video, like it's a moral affront, in an era of police shooting and mass incarceration. It makes you look like an asshole, and I won't be joining you. "

I didn't get offended by a crazy lady acting crazy in a youtube video - I wasn't "offended" by anything - but I did point out someone else's hypocrisy.

I didn't act like anything was a "moral affront", i'm holding bawbag accountable for being a shitty person and excusing racism.

"like it's a moral affront, in an era of police shooting and mass incarceration."

The only thing both you and bawbag can do to continue manufacturing an opposing viewpoint is by making the conversation about ANYTHING OTHER than what is being discussed - complacency towards racism.

"Nevertheless, I really do believe that simple racist speech toward black people and toward white people are different. It's never RIGHT; it's just much more heinous in one case than in another. That's my own belief, and if I act according to my belief, that means I'm not a hypocrite, either."

Excusing racism because of the race it's being aimed towards. You're right, that isn't hypocrisy, it's stupidity and mild racism.

'Everyone with a less simplistic view of racism than me is a racist and excusing racism' - Gmork

Glad we finally got the gist of your infantile ranting. Save yourself all the earnest misreadings and misunderstandings next time by just posting 'RACIST! YOU ARE RACIST!'.

Smh.

"'Everyone with a less simplistic view of racism than me is a racist and excusing racism' - Gmork"

If that's the conclusion you've come to about my position, you're an idiot.

"Glad we finally got the gist of your infantile ranting. Save yourself all the earnest misreadings and misunderstandings next time by just posting 'RACIST! YOU ARE RACIST!'."

I generally don't jump to conclusions about that, I was giving you an opportunity to explain your beliefs, but they actually do just boil down to you're slightly racist and don't have the intellectual integrity to admit it.

Just popping back in to say you should probably just give up Gmork.

You're arguing against one guy who fails out of the argument on basic reading comprehension, and another guy who is desperately grasping at straws trying to make the argument about anything else because he can't accept what colossal hypocrite he is when it comes to generalizing groups of people.

All this was ever about is that some people around here suffer from a serious case of "Ideological opponents should all be regarded as exactly the same as the worst examples I can think of; Ideological allies with distasteful traits aren't *really* ideological allies" while simultaneously accusing everyone else of the EXACT SAME THING.

But I'm right so I'm allowed to think that.

More for John:

http://tinyurl.com/h5gznsg

Monkey Napoleon, don't you have toilet usage to police somewhere you trans-hating vile piece of absolute dogshit?

-----I said "'Everyone with a less simplistic view of racism than me is a racist and excusing racism' - Gmork"

-----You said"If that's the conclusion you've come to about my position, you're an idiot."


gmork here are some prime examples of your 'position' in thread order:

"Don't even fucking try to act like you're not displaying a blatantly obvious double-standard."
--gmork~ 'GOTCHA! REVERSE RACIST!'
"You're REALLY trying hard to not admit you're a hypocrite."
--gmork~ 'UR RACIST HYPOCRITE!'
"In one scenario, you're excusing bad behavior. In the other, you're calling it out.
Give me a fucking break you intellectually dishonest piece of shit."
--gmork~ 'UR EXSQUEEZIN RACISM U INTERLECTURAL LIAR RACIST!'
"You'll literally say anything to diminish racism. I'm not sure why, that seems like the kind of motivation that a racist would have."
--gmork~ 'UR RACIST'
"You literally just tried to make the justification that it's okay for black people to be racist"
--gmork~ 'RACIIIIIST RAAAACIIIIIIIST! REEEEEEEEEE!!!'
"It's okay to be blatantly racist against white people because"
--gmork~ 'UR BASICALLY SAYN RACISM U RACIST!11'
"You're actually making the argument that because systemic oppression exists, it's okay to..."
--gmork~ 'IMMA REPEAT, UR RACIST U RACIST!'
"Gee, now where do generalizations like that usually come from... Oh, that's right, racist pieces of shit."
--gmork~ 'LIKE U AMIRITE? RACIST'
"Bawbag is excusing it because of the races involved."
--gmork~ 'EXCUSN RACISM LIEK WOT A RACIST DUZ!'
"it's existence somehow justifies the minimizing of racist acts towards one race."
--gmork~ 'RAAACIIIIIST!!!'
"systemic oppression gives you carte blanche justification for being racist"
--gmork~ 'HERE'S MOAR RACISM I READ BETWEEN YOUR LINEZ U RACIST!'
"It's okay to call black people niggers"
--gmork~ 'UR RACIST SEE?'
"Oh, I get it, because the racial slur "honkey" is aimed at white people, it doesn't count. Because they're white."
--gmork~ 'REVERSE RACISM IS JUST RACISM REEEEE RACIST!'
"that doesn't mean the act of racism agianst them is okay just because it "didn't do them harm"."
--gmork~ 'WHAT U SAID IS RACIST BECUZ OF REASONS!'
"What a complete and utter hypocrite."
--gmork~ 'A RACIST HYPICRYT!!'
"You think it's fine and dandy for white people to have hatred thrown at them because of their race"
--gmork~ 'RACIAL RACIST RACIST!'
"Once again your argument is a thinly-veiled attempt at saying "It's okay to be racist..."
--gmork~ 'GOTCHA U RACIST!'
"It's inconvenient to not be able to be racist towards someone who hasn't personally done anything to you because"
--gmork~ 'INCONVENTINENT RACIST!'
"Again, you're making excuses for racist behavior."
--gmork~ 'UR A RACIST DFENDIN RACISM!'
"And this justifies racism HOW exactly?"
--gmork~ 'WHEN WILL U STOP BEING RACIST AND WHEN DID U STOP BEATING UR WIFE?'
"It's okay to be racist towards someone if the race they happen to be has a historical precedent for oppression."
--gmork~ 'THIS IS U, UR RACIST!'
"i'm holding bawbag accountable for being a shitty person and excusing racism."
--gmork backpedal begins~ 'OK MAYBE UR NOT A RACIST, BUT UR EXCUSN IT AND THAT'S RACIST U RACIST!'
"You're right, that isn't hypocrisy, it's stupidity and mild racism."
--gmork backpedalling some more~ 'IT'S A MILD FORM OF UR RACIST U RACIST!'
"you're slightly racist and don't have the intellectual integrity to admit it."
--gmork~ 'DID I MENSHUN HOW UR RACIST?'


That's some quality cognitive dissonance there. You've backed yourself into a corner, it's ok to admit you were wrong now, I accept your apology in advance. :^]

Note: I didn't even add all your blatantly ableist 'moron' and 'imbecile' remarks to that huge list of you screeching that anyone who disagrees with you is hitler and david duke. You're welcome.

"Monkey Napoleon, don't you have toilet usage to police somewhere you trans-hating vile piece of absolute dogshit?"

You're a funny guy.

No, really.

bawbag, you are the most humorless fucking imbecile I've come across in a long time, and that list of you rewriting Gmork's posts is proof that you don't understand anything about funny.

Seriously, you are justifying mocking anyone here who disagrees with you but you rage against the idea of anyone making fun of a minority, right? You're the worst kind of hypocrite, dude.

No True Feminist

Oo, daddy. Tell me more about how indefensibly unreasonable they are. It's sooo invalidating.

check the tags

I care what you think.

Actually, since you brought it up I just assumed she was a self proclaimed feminist who uploaded it to some other site and that was just repeated by resubmitters.

That's a pretty dumb assumption when the channel is "REKT Feminist Videos". Pretty obvious they'll scrape the entire internet for an easy target regardless of the source.

Aw Homie, I care what you think.

Pretty obvious that some people knee-jerk to easy targets, in either direction.

The best possible scenario we have happening in this thread is trolls trolling trolls.




That's the best.

A-logs a-logging A-logs.

Eccolo!

I liked the cute jpegs EH :)

Hopefully that means bawbag and JHM are close to the backpedal stage.