I hope mike and jay are okay.

And yet not a single person has been killed in these protests. The only dead person in this whole sad saga is the guy who was gunned down while running away from police.

Yes, absolutely there are assholes in the BLM movement, as there are in every movement of its size. But if you seriously want to have a conversation about this, don't come from a place of utter bullshit like "BLM wants to kill white people." BLM is a gigantic, nationwide organization now, which has existed for three years and held hundreds of protests. To be blunt, if their actual goal was to kill white people, THERE WOULD BE A HELL OF A LOT MORE DEAD WHITE PEOPLE AT THESE PROTESTS.

Or at least more than zero.

Okay, fine.

Yes, there are some Black people who hate White people, blame them for all their woes and want to hurt them. Just as there are some White people who hate Black people, blame them for all their woes and want to hurt them.

The Black Lives Matter movement, however, is a totally and completely separate thing. People can claim to be part of it, yet not represent the movement itself.

And unlike the White supremacist movement, which has its roots in bigotry, hatred and the subjugation & oppression of all non-White people, the Black Lives Matter movement began as a response to the death of Trayvon Martin, a sixteen-year-old child who was brutally murdered by a mentally ill man who stalked him at night, confronted him with a gun and shot him to death when the kid tried to defend himself. The murderer was later acquitted of all charges because of a particularly bone-headed and badly-worded Florida law known as "Stand Your Ground" that makes it okay to kill someone as long as you say you were genuinely in fear of your own safety even if you were the one who started the shit.

After the acquittal of Martin's murderer, a group of Black women put in motion the foundation of the Black Lives Matter movement in response to the media's shoulder-shrugging acceptance of Trayvon's killing as if Black lives did not matter.

Compare that origin to the origin of any White supremacist group and you'll see a big difference.

"BLM wants to kill white people"


Yep. That's a conversation alright.

I predict it will devolve quickly into a conversation about how racist black people don't justify your own racism, and how racists in BLM no more makes it a racist organization than whatever it is you do is a racist organization just because you are a member of it.

Or, the Billy Needs A Bridge Jumping Buddy fallacy.

Even if they were killing people, these are rioters, not BLM. Confusing the rioters for BLM is just a racist tactic to try to discredit them.

Blacks are statistically far more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than the reverse. A cursory glance at FBI crime statistics bears this out. BLM is a symptom of this, not the root cause. It's rebranded black nationalism for the 21st century.

Got a link for them there statistics?

"Blacks are statistically far more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than the reverse. A cursory glance at FBI crime statistics bears this out. BLM is a symptom of this, not the root cause. It's rebranded black nationalism for the 21st century."

This. It's becoming an organized and concentrated hate group, and its happening quickly. Everyone who thinks blacks can't be racist because whites are more racist needs to admit that black-on-white hate crime IS A PROBLEM.

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-a nd-violent-crime/

"Some observers argue that what causes the overwhelming preponderance of black-on-white over white-on-black violence is “chance of encounter,” due to the fact that there are five times as many whites as blacks in the American population. However, there are only about 30 percent more Hispanics than blacks, yet black-on-Hispanic violence is almost as lopsided as black-on-white violence. This suggests blacks may be deliberately targeting both whites and Hispanics.

Using figures for the 2013 racial mix of the population–62.2 percent white, 17.1 percent Hispanic, 13.2 percent black–we can calculate the average likelihood of a person of each race attacking the other. A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white and 8 times more likely to attack a Hispanic than the other way around. A Hispanic is eight times more likely to attack a white than vice versa."

Also I find it laughable that Black Lives Matter is able to get away with claiming they don't want to kill cops after their movement kills cops. NOW they claim to be pacifist. I find that to be an obvious lie given their inspiration is Assata Shakur, a mass murderer.

The fact is the media says you are a white supremacist if you even bring up the fact that black people are attacking white people due to race hatred. So fine, burn the country down you fucking shitbags. You don't want a peace movement, just kill and destroy everything. Burn all your fucking towns down to the fucking ground. That's the world you want to live in, fucking live in it. Don't try to change anything. Don't try to emulate Gandhi or MLK. Reject every tenet of every religion that tells you that this is wrong. Just go ahead and lie about what you really want.

This is the result of Black Lives Matter. Milwaukee is burning and a dozen cops have been murdered. That's all they've accomplished so far.

Why should they be peaceful?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uiB4I2-y9Y

The reason' they're angry is cause society in general has been looking the other way as they've been dis proportionally killed by cops, as well as incarcerated. Then you start crying over a CVS or a gas station getting burned down.

Cena - well said. As a black scholar put it the other year (I paraphrase), there is something very wrong with a society that condemns rioting but makes no effort to examine or address the conditions that lead to rioting.

Either the rioting happened in response to events that people found intolerable, or they're just a bunch of savages who sometimes lose control of their primitive impulses for no reason. As for myself, I can't condone rioting, but the rioting is of secondary importance, at best, to how blacks never know how even the most straightforward interaction with police can go violently wrong.

http://verysmartbrothas.com/a-story-about-charles-kinsey-my-ne w-white-neighbors-and-the-racial-politics-of-calling-the-police/

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/o ffenses-known-to-law-enforcement/main

Click on 'Extended Homicide Data Table 6'. Keep in mind that there are six times as many whites living in America as blacks and that hispanics are lumped in with whites in this table.

The DOJ used to do tables on interracial crime, but Obama put a stop to it. Here's a link to the last one they did:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf

There's a lot of data in there so you'll have to search around. The interracial rape statistics are the most damning.

Racists are always bringing up statistics like that, and when called out on their racism they always cry out, "But it's facts! How can facts be racist?" The point is that when you obsess over said facts to support your racist views, then they are. Dylan Roof spent his free time looking up examples of black on white crime. It created the hate in him, it gave him the justification for shooting up that church.
So fuck the facts. The fact is, that you merely look at the facts at face value. You don't look at any of the reasons as to why thing are the way they are. You just look at the facts and think, "Yup, they're animals"

"This. It's becoming an organized and concentrated hate group, and its happening quickly. Everyone who thinks blacks can't be racist because whites are more racist needs to admit that black-on-white hate crime IS A PROBLEM. "

You make a pretty huge assumption that people who think Black Lives Matter has a valid claim to protest do not recognize black violence as a thing.

Were you hurt by black people RouS?

Here's a statistic to focus on: According to the DoJ, over 100,000 women report sexual assault every year on college campuses. Of those, slightly over 40% takes place in the Greek System, i.e. the netherworld that is not quite college and not quite private property. However, 1 in 8 college students, or 12.5%, are enrolled in the Greek System, which means that fratboys are 300% more likely to rape a girl than a normal person. Where is the outrage at this particular piece of statistical jerking off? When you walk past a bunch of guys with baseball caps, do you see videos of them raping in your head? I mean, we're talking about cold hard statistics here.

"NOW they claim to be pacifist." Who are THEY. THEY are a bunch of people without a leader, this isn't a cohesive movement, it's borne of complete frustration and misery and fear. THEY are angry about shit that is happening in their neighborhood, shit that your sweet little head will never have to worry about. I've seen the stupidest fucking people in the ghetto and I have seen them do stupid, horrible shit to each other and me/my friends. You will experience the same thing if you go out into the sticks where all the rednecks live, believe me.

You are being stupid, RouS, and, since I will be laughed at if I say the "r word," I'll just say you are being prejudicial and gullible.

Get this shit off my fucking website.

I was nearly killed by blacks who attacked me for being white.

It woke me up to the fact that black on white crime not only exists, it's an epidemic that goes completely unreported in America because of politics, and no amount of prejudice in the past justifies it. Why don't you tell the people in this video to not be racist?

Oh that's right, you won't. Because you don't want to get killed.

So what, I've had people try and gay bash me, does that mean straight people are terrorists?

Would you like to try not being scared shitless all the time as a way of life, instead of animal avoidance and rage disorder?

You know, before YOU go and kill someone in a racist fear rage?

You sound like Breitbart screaming at Occupy Wall Street. "WHY DO YOU MURDER PEOPLE STOP BEING MURDERERS!" He actually screamed that a week before ragecoholism killed him.

They're doing a pretty shit job of killing whitey, considering.

I'm sorry, I don't remember cheering for the death of blacks. Was this one of the voices in your head?

I remember you saying that you didn't have a problem with Trayvon Martin dying because you've decided he's destined to violence anyway. That's close enough to cheering.

Don't start at this stage with noises of "whoa, don't get me wrong, I don't harbor any ill will against blacks, I just ..."

If the hood fits, RoUS.

yeah, the blacks are the ones wearing hoods now, dude.

And they're attacking white people in droves. Guess I must be a Klansman since I don't want to be murdered for being born white.

No, you're a Klansman for being a racist piece of shit.

I wish I could be as cool as you and support a fascist cult that is spreading disinformation and trying to sow the seeds for violence. Then I wouldn't be racist at all, I'd just be a tool.

If you're saying not even you want to be you, you're finally starting to show some sense.

The Klan would lynch ROUS for being a faggot.

He thinks he has allies in the white skin tribes, but he does not.

ISIS is an apt metaphor here. Both groups get away with just "inspiring" violence. The difference is ISIS owns up to it because its proud of the fact that it does so, and BLM are just denying they have anything to do with it when that isn't true.

You never saw someone murder cops because they were inspired by the NAACP.

The cop killers weren't inspired by BLM, they were inspired by murderous cops.

I find that naive. BLM has been wanting cop deaths since their inception.

i mean don't we all?

I know more white liberals that want cops dead than black people

Will ROUS be owning up to inspiring violence the next time a cop kills a black person?

NOPE!

He's no ISIS, he's WISIS! WISIS don't surf, they mince from behind the white empire.

Also, here's article 2 on the UN Convention on Genocide.

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

I want you to know you make America unsafe by giving the world precedent to destroy us by your dumb bigot screeding.

Grandpa go take your medicine!

How's Dylan Roof getting internet access? He hijacked Rodent's account.

Who did BLM kill again, you goddamn sped?

Also, the media has and is reporting this. It was on NPR this morning, fer chrissake.

Here's the difference, RoUS. Our society is already trying to arrest, convict, and jail violent gang members. But our police are empowered by our society to use force as necessary to enforce the law, and when officers abuse their powers without penalty thanks to the courts and the media, it goes beyond individual offices; it means the entire system is an active participant in injustice against blacks.

And, not that you'd ever consider the notion, but maybe there'd be fewer black gang members if our society didn't lean towards keeping blacks in economically-depressed areas with bad schools and few job prospects. No it probably wouldn't stop all black crime but it would likely bring levels down.

stars fer bort

good lord RoUS - you don't even see them as fellow citizens, you just see them as threats with legs

I just don't get how some people (racists) can get "BLM is responsible for dead cops and want a race war!" out of this chain of logic:

Black people get killed by police or racist white dudes at an alarming rate compared to other demographics -> The people that kill these black people rarely if ever face any consequences for killing said black people -> The system responsible for seeing that you can't just kill people without consequences seems to be actively trying not to assign said consequences when the dead people are black -> People (many of them black) begin to point this out vocally and organize actions to draw attention to this issue, often being rather "rude" and "disrespectful" while so doing -> A handful of murderers murder a handful of police officers, are arrested or killed for so doing -> BLACK LIVES MATTERS COMMITS HATE CRIMES AGAINST WHITES

I get that it's the current racist party line, in an effort to plant an image in the mind of the public of BLM as some sort of radical terrorist group, but I just don't see how you can follow that chain without some sort of serious bigotries impeding your logic, given the backgrounds of the various victims and criminals involved in the last few years within America.

RouS, take a deep breath and compare these two narratives. Try really hard to imagine stuff that's not in your head that is going on.

What side do you feel is a real struggle, and what side do you think is just dialed in, a reaction to something?

This narrative:
http://www.theroot.com/photos/_10_affluent_black_neighborhoods /

Or this one:
http://www.blackurbangrowers.org/

Or this one:
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t577521/

The latter is filled with people such as yourself who see the plight of post-industrial black neighborhoods as an extension of a black community's natural behavior and culture. Why is it so easy for you to adopt this particular position?

I think conflating exposure of the facts of black on white violence with white supremacy is part of the problem of media, and how they are brainwashing people into believing that only one form of racism exists.

"good lord RoUS - you don't even see them as fellow citizens, you just see them as threats with legs"

Technically, I think all gangs in the US should be treated as enemy combatants regardless of race. That includes the KKK, black and Latino gangs, the Mafia, etc.

"Technically, I think all gangs in the US should be treated as enemy combatants regardless of race. That includes the KKK, black and Latino gangs, the Mafia, etc."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

How safe do you feel in the US? How safe do you feel in any of the larger cities? How many areas are so affected by violence in the US it would present a mortal threat to you to even approach going there?

The media and a lot of Americans who are brainwashed by the media now conflate discussing the reality of minority violence with racism. You can't discuss it without being labeled as one. Or, if you do discuss it, you have to blame white people somehow.

It's ridiculous and I knew what the reaction here would be, and it was a purposeful attempt at basically expressing a viewpoint that almost never gets voiced here. I'm afraid of America, period. It's violent as fuck all over the place. I feared being murdered while I was there, and while I'm not proud of the fact that I have fear, I own up to it. And yeah, I fear being attacked and beaten by a minority than a white person because statistically I'm far more likely to be attacked and beaten by a minority.

The fact is, America is losing a war against gangs. I'm not a fan of the War on Drugs but I'm less of a fan of men who make a living by setting up their own laws within America, their own perversion of justice.

Cena, in one of your posts you asked "Why SHOULD they be peaceful?"

Because the alternative is rebellion, chaos, a lack of order, and madness. And that isn't presumptive, its historical in precedent. Do you honestly think a mass political movement can thrive without pacifism in the US? And what do you have without it? What do you have in a movement so exclusively dedicated to attention seeking that it alienates mass numbers of people so they can publicly berate all white people for their problems? I fully expect the government to clamp down on them as soon as the election is over. Because right now the Dems are using BLM as a plot twist to get the black vote and they'll abandon that ship as soon as Hillary is in office.

I will apologize for the Trayvon comment I made. I don't know he would have wound up killing someone. I don't know for sure what his destiny would have been. I have seen evidence of him being a shitty person and while I don't feel anything over his death, it doesn't mean I take pleasure in his death and I certainly never implied that. I was being negative, and assuming he would never have made anything of his life though, and for that I am sorry.

If I have interrupted your normal train of thought on this subject, then good. I hate what BLM represents. It represents a cultish approach to indoctrinating people that join its ranks into a belief that blacks can do no wrong, and that any black person that gets arrested or killed by a cop is innocent. It's a ridiculous cartoon version of race relations they are trying to sell (paid for by George Soros) and I'm not buying it.

Sorry, raging bigotry gets expressed here constantly.

You're not a special snowflake, no matter how white and scared you are.

"It represents a cultish approach to indoctrinating people that join its ranks into a belief that blacks can do no wrong, and that any black person that gets arrested or killed by a cop is innocent. It's a ridiculous cartoon version of race relations they are trying to sell (paid for by George Soros) and I'm not buying it."

You do realize black people are not a hive of bees or a herd of cattle, right? They're just another human being who happens to have more pigment than most. that's it. Among all those individuals, plenty are great people, and plenty are terrible, terrible human beings, much like any other group of people who have varying levels of pigment in their skin. You can't go around acting like it's okay to marginalize an entire group of people and deny them their constitutional rights based on something as scientifically insignificant as race - just because you feel scared, or because black people beat you up once (sorry). that's racism.

and losing a war against gangs? holy shit guy, the RICO act completely gutted any sort of leadership structure in the gangs, you've got nothing but cliques all over the place vying over territory - the violence is a sign of weakness, not strength - a strong criminal syndicate doesn't kill often. blood's expensive. and if you really think gang violence is worse now than when crack exploded you really don't know what you're talking about

and the democratic party doesn't need BLM to snag the black vote, i think trump is polling at something like 2%, unless that's yet again another example of the vast multifaceted conspiracy of which everyone but you has been duped by

Do some individuals from BLM say dumb shit? Sure! Does that mean it's okay to deny them their rights and the ability to redress grievances in government? Nope!

You may not be buying into George Soros' cartoon version of race relations, but you have definitely bought into somebody else's cartooon version of race relations

also 5 for RoUS' meltdown, I give him a few months before he says "chimpout" unironically

I really haven't been on POE much at all this year. I'm back briefly but I will probably not even have the time to post over the next year very much at all.

It's kind of hard to discredit people who are vocally inspired by a mass murderer.

Kent State was fulla terrorists committing hate crimes against our boys in uniform!

The government disbanded OWS because it challenged financial authority, and they weren't going to put up with them publicizing financial crimes for very much longer.

That and the number of people destroying public venues. I know. I was there. briefly the week or so. The piss smell was unbelievable and even though a lot of well meaning people were a part of it, it became about 15% fucking crazy people pretty quickly, and I think the same thing has happened in BLM, only its attracting people who just want nothing more than to fuck shit up, as opposed to just literally taking dumps everywhere.

Murica!