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od already

i actually did! on saturday! sadly for you all my girlfriend hit me with narcan and the styx canoe was forced to bust a bitch and bring me back to the lighter shores. i apologize for the mix-up, will try to get it right next time.

How did you get a hold of Narcan? Thats like, ER stuff...

it's freely distributed at syringe exchanges in my state.

by the way, wishing death/physical harm on someone because their ideologies differ from your own is gorgeously emblematic of the frenzied, fascist-leaning triggered-safe-space hissy fits the Regressive Left has become characterized by as of late. stay classy and get ready for the one hell of a Happening. we've all had it coming for quite some time, and its time for the insects to get a turn

i'll keep my fingers crossed for next weekend

insects? funny, that's usually the kind of language people use about opiate addicts. If it were up to me, I'd make sure all the junkies get put into a camp and were properly sterilized - seeing as how their depraved, pleasure-seeking nature is a surefire sign of some sort of genetic defect and is wholly incompatible with our protestant work ethic

see what i mean? fascistic

Sorry, Orcs, your "your hypocrisy and/or failure to live up to your standards is morally equivalent to my utter disregard for human beings other than myself" thing does not work with me. I've been on the internet too long to fall for that one again.

Also, maybe it's not political. Maybe teethsalad just doesn't like you very much.

nah pretty sure i'm right thats why this has been gaining back stars

Facts are racist.

"Facts" are racist.

orcs just loves his logical fallacies

you sure do think about me alot, it seems like you should have an entire list (or encyclopedia dramatica article) exemplifying my reprehensible "cultural mongrel" characteristics by now. i mean you all know me so well! you do just the greatest job of pidgeonholing me so you can go on about your functionary existence and your autism riddled noodle is not antagonized by a non-linear narrative

In what manner?

It's a parody of a Disney song.

But the opinions expressed in the parody are 100% earnest.

for earnestly, rationally talking everything out with perfect punctuation

Got it.

Who uses chess as an IQ test?

I'm just wondering how the people who share the opinion of creator of this video explain that there are brilliant people with high IQs from these racial backgrounds that are supposedly nothing but dumbfucks.

And by explain I don't mean "Oh, that genius girl from Nigeria you heard about was just a conspiracy fairy tale made up by Jews" which is typically the explanation you get for anything their contradicts their narrative.

lol chess nice one

I saw something a while back where "master" chess players just used their brains differently while playing chess.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25065494/

@TJS: I have no idea what you are asking. But you name a test you like, we'll talk about that then. I'm just trying to avoid the obvious easy outs, like most such tests measure your training and not your intelligence, or your cultural fluency, etc etc.

@Matlock. That's really kind of interesting. I've always been inclined to think that you could use fNMR type technology to measure energy consumption in the brain when solving specific tasks. The less energy needed, the more "intelligent" the brain. Just a speculation.

It's worth noting that even bucking a strong headwind, you brain only uses about 40-50 watts to generate ...you. Thats about what this little VAIO I am using takes to put up an OS and a browser. This should give you some idea just how far away true AI is from the state of the art. Also, this laptops runs at about 1-2GHZ, whereas your brain is at best running < 100KHZ, in practice much less ( crude brainwave activity is in the 10-100hz range ).

People without an axe to grind soften the results by pointing out the fact that there are plenty of blacks and hispanics at the top of the IQ pyramid and plenty of asians and whites at the bottom. Then they say something about 'bell curves' and that the results just mean that asians and whites, on average, trend higher. In other words, there's no ceiling that non-asians/whites can't break through and no safety net that prevents asians and whites from falling too low.

Racists just use it as a way to prove their superiority, usually in a smarmy and condescending way.

Well yeah, you administer the test du jour to a population, and when you plot the # of people scoring a certain value over a range of said values you get the classic gaussian distribution ( the 'bell curve' as you say ) and the mean of that function is what is compared over the different populations you test. And indeed, depending on the test you use, you can see different means for different races and cultures. So what? The variation is usually pretty small, and only an idiot would insist that somehow this explains the great disparity between say current European culture and African culture. I personally think it says more about the specific test than about the subjects of the test, as I am trying to argue above.

DQL - that's not the point; statistical models like the bell curve don't deal in absolutes, they deal in averages and distributions. Of course anomalies and deviations exist! You can have a genius girl from Nigeria, just as you can have a semi-retarded man from East-Asia. These deviations from the norm do not "contradict the narrative" (in fact, they are accounted for by the narrative) - *unless* they become so common that the statistical mean begins to shift.

The bell curve exists, or at least I have never encountered a compelling refutation of the idea. The best (and indeed, perhaps only, aside from ignoring the data completely) counter-argument to the bell curve and its implications is the one which Mr Wildcat puts forth: that is, simply shifting the goal posts and denying that intelligence is important to human society. After all, "only an idiot" would think that a group of people who are smarter, on average, than their neighbours, might somehow see benefits from their increased intelligence.

Experienced chess players succeed by recognizing patterns and sequences on the board, and being able to evaluate moves for value based on criteria like tempo, material etc. Think about the way you read text on a page. A know-nothing chess player (like me) is reading each move the way a new reader has to read each letter individually. Experienced players see the board they way experienced readers read whole words at once. The system of rating moves and patterns is quantifiable, which opens up the possibility for a computer to use search methods to find the optimum move in any board-state, given enough time.

As far as IQ, the scores in any population are normally distributed (a bell curve), but like any test your score depends on your education level, test taking experience, and other factors. The main thing is that it is only useful as a relative measure of intelligence within a population that has roughly the same education level. If you test 2 different populations and find that one consistently scores lower, you can't just say that the lower population must be "dumber." You have just identified a correlation, and need to start looking for explanatory variables like education level, income level, etc etc etc.

Racists are people with one big hang up though, and they will use anything to confirm their biases.

Rags is right, of course. And it gets at the larger issue that scoring high on an IQ test means you're good at IQ tests. That's about all you can say without jumping to a lot of unfounded conclusions. I argue that there are no good tests for intelligence, just a lot of crappy ones that we like to believe work because they confirm our biases. When real money is involved and the results count ( like for hiring agents ) this fact becomes _very_ apparent.

There is also Evilhomers argument: that black and latinos are stupid mud people and white and asians are the master race. I don't buy his argument, you'll have to ask him about why he feels this way.

Racist thinking in a self-propagating mental meme that is unique in the fact that it is a social issue that does, at any given point, never actually affect any generation of people who are concerned about it being a danger.

A person who is currently a racist is worried about future generations being less like themselves. If a mixed race pair decides to be in relationship, it literally does not affect them and can not affect them.

A person who was a racist in the past is responsible for propagating the meme into the next generation, ensuring that the current generation are also racist.

A person who theoretically exists in the future is no more or less a human being then the last generation regardless of the existence of races. In addition, they are forced to adopt a racial position based on the racial ideals of the previous generation thus continuing the spread of the meme. A person may be forced to take a racist standpoint before they even know what it is, dictated by the current generation before they are even born.


In addition to all of this, racism is coded into our brains, as a means for us to limit and connect with a smaller and more unified social sphere. This is a problem that is unlikely to go away anytime soon.

I don't see that as being my argument at all, Mr Wildcat! My argument is simply the one you've conceded - IQ tests consistently demonstrate that different races have different mean intelligence scores (with Asians and Ashkenazi Jews, NOT whites, being on top) - as well as the one you've advanced - the only way people have found to get around this is to insist that differences in intelligence are irrelevant.

In fact, it's doubly ridiculous to accuse me of being a reprehensible racist, because CA is African-American, HF is a mestizo, and on top of that I have plenty of white friends! If I were a racist, then I'd shun all of you, and insist you submit to the natural order of things; i.e. a globalist corporate state ruled by Jewish-Korean banking bloodlines.

So Evilhomer, what is the root of this racism that makes you insist black and brown people are intellectually inferior to you? Are you insecure? Or just a hate filled bigot? Why do you hate black and brown people so much?

My suspicion is that EH is doing a thing. lotsmoreorcs may well also be engaged in thing-doing, but less as an endearing weirdo.

The IQ tests I have taken have put me between 96 and 104.

I'd say it explains a lot, but that would be a dishonest way of saying it explains everything.

Perhaps I'm just doing his thing, Bort. He seems upset by that. I guess intentionally misrepresenting someone's position is kind of stupid, and not very funny. Who knew?

Oh, OK, you're doing one of those things! Well, in that case, I'd just like to point out that, technically-speaking, white people are intellectually inferior to me, too. I've taken a number of IQ tests over the years, and I score well above all of the racial means, including those for whites, Asians, and Jews. Forget browns and blacks; your average *Jewish* man is well below my level, simply as a matter of tested, quantifiable fact. (I'd wager they are well below your own level, too)

In fact, if anything, the rest of you honkies are holding me down. I don't want my offspring to regress to the European genetic mean! This is another reason why I am infatuated with CA; she is, herself, well above the intellectual mean for all races, and as such, our mixed-race offspring would be smarter and better equipped than, say, the offspring of myself and your average Aryan Swede. And therein lies the real problem with racists - they spend so much time worrying about averages and collective welfare, that they forget that man is an individual, and our primary focus should be on finding the exceptional in our own lives, not regressing to the mean.

Who is CA?

I'm doing _your_ thing, Evilhomer. I can continue, if you like, ad infinitum. Or you can demonstrate some of this claimed intelligence you possess. Your choice.

"My suspicion is that EH is doing a thing"

oh bort

What thing? I've never accused anyone of being a racist, and I agree with everything else you said.

You know EH, racists always trot out that old "some of my best friends are black" bit. We don't buy it.

Oh, that bit? When I said some of my best friends are white? Well, it's true. I DO like some white people, even if, statistically-speaking, their mean testing scores are well below my own.

Besides, IQ scores don't really count for much in the long term. Believe me, I know this from firsthand experience; highly intelligent people also tend to be highly dysfunctional, and the brighter you get, the more likely you are to fail at life (not being able to hold down a job, not being able to socialize, becoming fixated on a narrow range of interests etc). There's actually a "sweet spot" (around 120 or so, if memory serves) where people are smarter-than-average, but not so smart that they start becoming dysfunctional. It's why you see so many dudebro millionaires, and homeless geniuses wandering around the park.

I've never taken an IQ test, but I recently put together a desk. I'm ball-parking I fall somewhere in the 60-65 range. But, then again, I also did it while watching a Bar Rescue marathon, so maybe 50-55.

In fact, Mr Wildcat, that gets back to your OP, and the anecdotes you relayed about your roommate and about Google's hiring process. It's not that your roommate was an idiot or that IQ tests don't work - it's that as IQ increases, people start to break down!

There was a really good piece by AJ Jacobs, which I can't for the life of me find right now, on the time he spent embedded in a Mensa chapter, and how everybody there was an unemployable crackpot loser; it's relevant to the discussion, so remind me later and I'll see if I can dig it up.

Is... Is this a bit?

IQ tests don't measure intelligence. They measure something else. I suppose you could call it intelligence, but as you say, a lot of fucked apart idiots seem to score very high on these tests. So this is intelligence? Maybe instead of deluding ourselves we should reconsider what intelligence actually is. I don't like your assertion that less of this quality is better. In my opinion it reflects a failure of the test, not a feature of this quality. I do agree that whatever this quality IQ tests are measuring, too much of it seems to cause real problems.

Which IQ tests are you talking about? How are you defining "intelligence"? etc I submit that IQ tests do, generally, measure intelligence - which is loosely defined, but consists of things like spatial reasoning, memory, and the ability to perform abstract calculations using logic or language. Ideally, the tests will not draw upon pre-existing knowledge, i.e. they won't be like the SATs or a school exam, but will instead test the test-takers ability to learn and apply new data, rapidly and effectively.

And I'm not saying less of this quality is "better", at least, not for all values of "better". It depends on what you want to get out of your intelligence, and out of life. If you intend to work at Google or talk to people about something other than chess/ Objectivism/ and-or the weather on March 3rd, 1947, than past a certain point, less of that quality is better than more! But "better" is a term that measures relative relationships, and depends entirely upon context - better *than* what? Better *at* what? If you simply want bragging rights, or want to kick people's asses at Mensa Math Night, more is certainly better.

I should also add that the breakdown point - which may be somewhere between 150-170 - is not really relevant to the broader issue that our esteemed colleague, Mr Orcs, put forth above. That is to say, the breakdown point is considerably higher than racial mean scores, so it's not like Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are in danger of going mad en masse. AKIRA is still a long way off!

Also also, getting back to and expanding upon the point I raised earlier, about the opposition strategy of denying "intelligence" (i.e. memory and spatial, abstract reasoning) as a meaningful measure of human performance:


>> So this is intelligence? Maybe instead of deluding ourselves we should reconsider what intelligence actually is.

Exactly my point. This has already happened, and it constitutes the bulk (possibly the entirety) of *direct* attacks upon the bell curve. I remember reading papers way back in the day about how we should be considering "other" forms of intelligence besides just the memory-reasoning one, new forms like "social" intelligence, or "physical" intelligence, and furthermore the act of privileging reasoning above other mental tasks was an act of postcolonial imperialism etc etc. In other words, Jews may be better equipped to perform abstract mental calculations, but the Kalenjin tribe of Kenya is the best in the world when it comes to physical endurance and long-distance running. Who are we to say which form of "intelligence" should be privileged more?

This thing will slide off the frontpage before long, so I'll try to be brief.

The thing I want to measure is the ability to take a very limited set of data, and draw accurate and relevant conclusions that can't be derived from a logical analysis of the data set. Human minds can do this, and I've had the rare privileged of working with one such individual up close for a number of years. It can be learned and developed. For a concrete but somewhat trivial example, consider the jokes people make here on this site. 15th demonstrated this ability with that comment about the racist chinese washing machine ad. We all clicked on it, and I'm sure like me you said to yourself "why didn't I think of that?". That quality of mind, when developed to a high degree, allows for creation of entirely novel ideas and technologies. The great world secrets are revealed to the initiate when that quality is honed to a fine edge. It's a critical dimension of what we colloquially call intelligence. There are other dimensions that seem to elude IQ tests, but it's the one most important to me.

Racist Chinese washing machine ad?

as so.

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=153428

A poor word to describe this quality is intuition: a better word would would be insight, that's about as close as I can get in english. Still better german word would be gestalt.

Thinking about what you were writing above, I suppose you could say the limit condition on IQ intelligence would be Aspergers or autism. And indeed, these illnesses are common children of parents who both score high on IQ measure.

Did you find that article? It sounded familiar to me as well. Also, there is a clip on this site of a guy who lost on one of those millionaire shows where you have to answer a series of increasingly difficult questions. He claimed to have a very high IQ, and the biopic went into some detail about how he repeated his senior year in high school to 'perfect' it, until about the age of 25. He reminded me of that chess player in college. Just badly damaged and dysfunctional. Some genius...

Oh, the "something shrunk considerably" comment? What's not logical about that? 15th took a number of logical data points - the stereotypical penis size of black men, the stereotypical penis size of Asian men, and the propensity for objects to shrink in the wash - and by abstractly comparing these data points, derived a very funny comment. That's intelligence. You could call it "insight" if you want, but it's one of the things covered by IQ tests.

Of course it's totally logical, and had you a spare minute from your busy schedule, you would have quickly dashed that line off. Why don't you demonstrate that with the next clip, one line please. You test off the charts on IQ, so it should be a trivial exercise.

lol of lols

Lacking empathy has little to do with the views these people hold.

I know plenty of people on the opposite far loony end of the spectrum who wouldn't know empathy if it smacked them in the face. Just go to Twitter, or Tumblr, or Poetv on weekday afternoons; they're all over those sites.

Me too, they suck?

You said go to some other place on the internet to see evidence of people not having empathy but my point was that the internet is fostering a new kind of sociopath, one that is quite intelligent and informed but wants certain people to suffer. It's so fucking creepy and different to me I could almost call it neointolerance. It's 2016 and there are people just reaching adulthood that haven't known existence without it.

It was going to get 5 for evil.

Then it was going to get no stars for lots more orcs

Then orcs gave it 5 and it ended up a 1

That's the reason I voted for it in the hopper. This 'weird-ass, third wave national socialism made out of internet memes' thing fascinates and terrifies me. How many of them I wonder really buy into (The philosophies of) it or just kind of get their kicks fucking with people because it's Maximum Asshole Mode?

And who would be worse?

The guy who has just had all this Red State crap fed to them since childhood or the guy who understands from the very beginning on a fundamental level it's horseshit but watching the world burn is amusing?

Yeah it's really fucking creeping me out. I started reading the bitch in the yt description's twitter and then I didn't get to sleep so well last night. Thanks orcs, I hope you study a bundle of fentanyl.

Exactly what Bopeton wrote. The secret Hitler game clip is a perfect example. Why are people voting that thing down? Vote it up, one star it if you must, but it belongs here. This ain't the portal of puppies and roses either. Also, that clip with Milo whateverthefuckhisname is being carried on a sedan chair to the theme of "America Fuck Yeah" made me laugh for the length of the clip. Does it not belong here?

some of you people that keep eternally reciting the "but it's eeeeevil" mantra could do well to remember that POE-red was more about a collection of gross and funny misfits than a repository of "ironic" /pol/ shitposts. i'm actually okay with this video because of the surreal amount of effort put into racist filk and the hilarity of this site grappling with iq tests, but yeah i have zero regrets about voting down milo being le epik gay trole

ultimately it's fine if some of ya'll want to remake this site into another alt-right cesspool, but don't pretend that it's keeping up any sort of tradition

i guess at that displaced rage and crazy bernie finally sputtering out has to be directed somewhere, so fire away fuckers! i'll keep the truth coming as long as you keep voting it through the hopper!

what truth? all I see is racist pseudo-intellectual garbage

Hey New Orcs, do you like Stefan Molyneux? He's been doing a lot of videos on IQ tests and the European Migrant Crisis lately; you should check him out if you haven't already.

Even the most of the politically objectionable stuff on POE Red was interesting for some reason: there were Japanese guys dressed up as Nazis and Nazi furries and a lot of other unhinged folks who were weird for reasons that had nothing to do with their terrible politics. It doesn't mean that everything that's garden-variety awful gets a spot here, especially since the internet is teeming with LOL NIGGERS idiots that, while terrible, are also sort of dull. If you want the full story, you can always go to rationalwiki. I'd rather watch something actually interesting here.

I'd give this five stars for evil in a heart beat if it wasn't for all the actual white supremacists hanging out on this site.

Speaking of which, the MOST intelligent person in the United States, a fellow named Christopher Langan, worked for twenty years, not as a scientist or a philosopher or a Google executive... but as a bouncer.

The more you know!

You are confusing cause and effect, EH. Of course there are logical connections between all of the elements, in hindsight. But a logical process did not create the actual line. Do you think 15th made a careful list of all those elements and derived logical relations to get that? You could try yourself, as you say, brevity is not your strong point ( common for high IQ people ). One could make an infinite number of factual observations about the clip. The color of each item. The age of the actors. Etc etc etc. That is the limit of logic. It can't make that jump to the end state. Humor is actually a pretty good way to develop this quality of mind. Instead of your usual long form, experiment with single lines for a little while. See what happens.

>> Do you think 15th made a careful list of all those elements and derived logical relations to get that?

... which is why intelligence tests account for abstract reasoning! Making jumps in reasoning, jumps which are accurate, and which can be quickly tested for logical consistency before deploying - that's like half of most IQ tests right there, and a big reason why such tests have got strict time limits on each section. Yes, I doubt 15th deconstructed every little nuance of his joke before he put it out there, but he didn't have to.

Keep going, I'm so close.

He's running rings around you, Homer.

Again, he's doing this using logic and abstract reasoning. All things tested for in IQ tests.