simon666 - 2015-05-14
Is it unfair to assume that Jeb Bush feels conflicted for same reason his brother was intent on invading Iraq, that Saddam Hussein tried to his daddy?
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StanleyPain - 2015-05-14 The Bush Administration was "keen" on Iraq because it had been the Republican plan to somehow oust Hussein and establish military presence there for years and years. The Project For A New American Century (which you're not supposed to talk about) already laid the groundwork for how this would be done by exaggerating a world threat from Iraq to drum up popular support.
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Bort - 2015-05-14 Cheney, Rumsfeld, and others were part of PNAC. Dubya wasn't, though, as far as I know.
I don't hold that Bush's motives were the same as Cheney's or Rumsfeld's.
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EvilHomer - 2015-05-15 I have to admit, compared to Hillary, those quotes make Jeb seem almost human. I don't believe him, of course, but it takes a big man to admit that you don't want to be disrespectful to the dead.
OZ raises a valid point. Americans ascribe far too much importance to their president; this is partly because our schools and the media condition us to think that way, constantly holding him up for us as the living symbol of America, source of our wealth or our ruin. In reality, while the President enjoys a lot of clout (far more than any of us will ever have), he is just one man amongst many, the public face draped over top of a complex drama, that is largely outside of "the hero's" control.
https://youtu.be/mxLBywKrTf4?t=43m19s
I'd be inclined to agree with Bort's assessment of Bush. Dubya never seemed to have the vision of his father or of his more competent underlings, Cheney and Rove. Dubya was at best a Robert Baratheon figure; Rove and Cheney, Varys and Little Finger.
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Kabbage - 2015-05-14
Could they possibly make Jeb less appealing
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EvilHomer - 2015-05-15
I've been trying to find that clip from The Simpsons, where Krusty is running for Congress and Fox News draws devil horns over his televised debate opponent. I can't find it, so just pretend I posted it here, in order to illustrate the concept of blatant media bias.
How many people are left in Washington who actually opposed the Iraq War? Or at least, opposed the Iraq War, and continued to oppose the Iraq War, even when it was no longer in their own vested interest to turn hawk? Now that Ron Paul and Russ Feingold are gone, the only person I can think of is Bernie Sanders, and there's no way in a hell a Socialist like him will win the election.
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Bort - 2015-05-15 Feingold's running for his old Senate again. Here's hoping he isn't too proud to take some campaign money this time.
I like that he's principled, but get into office first, THEN use your office to change the law.
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EvilHomer - 2015-05-15 Ooooh, maybe that's why I couldn't find it. I was searching it, and Simpsons Wiki wanted to direct me to a late-season episode which ripped off that same bit from before.
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