I've never really understood the hate for Alien 3, I loved this movie.

Also the guy who played Tywin is the person who performs the autopsy. So there's that.

What was cool about Alien 3:

1. The setting. I mean, largely abandoned space prison that's turned into a kind of a violent monastery with a pretty interesting bunch of weirdos? I dig it.

2. Bishop's "reactivation" scene.

3. It established the Xeno's ability to use other organisms as hosts and get different physical traits from them.

4. The soundtrack. Seriously, it's a great one. I almost wish it would get re-purposed for a different movie.

What sucked about Alien 3:

1. The setup made no sense. Where did the facehugger come from? Why did it crack Newt's capsule and not infect her, but it somehow got into Ripley's? Why did it leak acid at all as nothing injured it? It's this, along with the fact that Newt & Hicks die right off the bat, that taints the film for most viewers.

2. The CGI Alien. This really wasn't the film's fault, I guess. It had the bad luck of being made when CGI was becoming ubiquitous and didn't really know how to use it properly.

3. The director, by his own admission, thought he wanted to do an Alien movie but had no idea how hard it was going to be.

The Alien made it on board the Sulaco. As far as the other two characters dying? It's an Alien horror movie, not a nice happy feel good movie.

The Alien actually wasn't CGI. It was a rod puppet and one of those cases of practical effects where everyone worked their asses off to do something really difficult and when it got put together at the end it just looked...off a bit.

What sucked about Alien 3:

They made damn sure no one cared about the ass holes getting killed.

Alien: Space truckers going home to their families.
Aliens: Space Marines getting screwed over by the government and corporation who treat them as disposable.
Alien 3: Space Rapist, Child killers, Murderers, Double Y chromosome psychos who rape and kill children, irredeemable blah blah blah.

Alien 3 was the first Alien I saw. Actually, I saw them in pretty much the opposite order: 3, 4, 2 and then 1.

@Urist: The alien in the medical bay was a practical effect. The one running through the halls was CGI. It looked awful.

"...not a happy feel-good movie." Even in horror movies, just offing someone without preamble is cheap and easy. It's bullshit writing.

"The alien made it on board the Sulaco." When did the queen have a chance to lay any eggs? Her ovipositor was left on the planet, and the second she got off the dropship, she was fighting Ripley and then getting thrown out an airlock. If they'd shown the eggs attached to the dropship somewhere, MAYBE I'd buy it.

Well, Ripley was able to climb back up the ladder and Bishop's torso's just kinda sitting there while all this other shit's moving around.. that whole scene never made any sense to me.

https://youtu.be/Qi7aQ8f7oyw

I'm pretty sure I originally saw this on poetv somewhere.

Literally the only thing I hated about Alien 3 was that they killed Newt. Fuck whoever wrote that part.

Okay, here is my dumb fan theory. WYco sent two teams on the Sulaco, the first team to recover the data from the colony and second to recover a specimen from the space jockey crash sight.

Better than the 4th one, but not nearly as good as Dark Star.

I don't get why people are so butt hurt over the death of Hicks and Newt. I think the people at RLM said it best when one of them said "these movies are basically about how the alien ruins Ripley's life."

I personally didn't have a huge problem with it because I felt the overly optimistic ending of Aliens was a bit of a cop-out on Cameron's part, but regardless it offended a lot of people. I guess the upcoming Alien film (the Blomkamp one) is going to somehow retcon this so that Hicks is alive and I think that's kinda dumb. I mean, just look at the convoluted nonsense plot of Aliens Colonial Marines to see how that works out.

God, I was talking to my roommate about Aliens Colonial Marines. He said they didn't even give a real explanation as to why Hicks is alive, they just more or less write it off as "it's a long story."

There's a video here giving the exact reason. Company mercs boarded the Sulaco and dragged Hicks out of the sleep chamber. Hicks flipped one of guys into the pod, which shut then ejected. He escape while everyone assumed the dead body in his crashed pod was him.

I didn't say it was a GOOD reason.

Wow, maybe they should have just said "it's a long story."

Going back to to Alien 3 I've often wondered how much of the finalized scrip was completed. The main story with Ripley and her new found boy friend is really solid but right after he gets killed the movie doesn't even really fall apart, it just gets kind of boring.

It's an either/or thing. The whole point of Newt and Newt surviving "Aliens" was to give a Ripley a shot at the motherhood she wanted but missed out on because her real daughter died of old age while Ripley was floating in space. On the other hand, it could be easily argued that the alien has robbed Ripley of everything she's wanted or could have had, hence Newt's necessary death.

I've also heard they killed off Newt because Carrie Henn aged too much to have been in suspended animation. That sounds like bullshit to me though because really, who would care about them changing a child actress between sequels?

Aliens is a far superior film, and I'm still butthurt at David Fincher for shitting on it for no good reason. Why did Newt have to die? I can't see any reason for it other than she wouldn't have fit into Fincher's dark gritty shaved head exhaust fan vision. She would have mellowed his harsh.

>>I don't get why people are so butt hurt over the death of Hicks and Newt. I think the people at RLM said it best when one of them said "these movies are basically about how the alien ruins Ripley's life."

They weren't about that until Fincher derailed the franchise for the sake of his dark atmospheric vision, and his apparent film school infatuation with Blade Runner.

Rule 1: Fuck David Fincher
Rule 2: Fuck you, David Fincher.

Uh...Fincher had, like, ZERO input into any of the major creative decisions of this movie. Why do you think Fincher disowns this as part of his filmography? He directed the movie as best he could, but he had no control of any "vision" and the idea to kill Newt and Hicks was not his at all, but rather the mixed nonsense of dozens of screenwriters' competing visions for what the movie should be.

>>Why do you think Fincher disowns this as part of his filmography?

Well, at least he has the sense to do that.

It may be that all the stuff i read in 1991 about The Dark Vision of David Fincher may have been studio hype. I had a feeling I was getting carried away, but I really enjoyed that rant. Aliens is one of my favorite movies of the 80s. Alien3 by itself isn't terrible, but the killing of Newt sort of makes Aliens seem pointless, so I've been mad about that for 20 years.