Taking Jesus out of Christmas, sure, whatever. But no PRESENTS?

The fuck's wrong with you?!

Worst xmas ever

Christmas sucks really bad when you don't have anyone under the age of 35 in your family.

Tiny Tim's son, aptly named TeeterTot, defies Christmas for irony's sake.

Its an official tradition. You know Christmas is around the corner when you start hearing about somebody trying to take it away

Because nobody likes Jews.

It's not even that. I grew up in Catholic Ireland, and Happy Holidays was said probably more often than Merry Christmas around the season, since there were a lot of holidays, and you were referring to their time off work/school as a holiday. Merry Christmas you said more before the actual last days of Christmas.

It's not that Christmas isn't being included or celebrated by others, it's that they're whining they aren't able to force their particular version of Christianity onto others. They feel entitled to deference and cry about the downfall of 'traditional' culture when they don't get it. Fox complains people are doing Christmas wrong by not making it all about supply-side Jesus, when it was a pagan holiday banned by Christianity and the church to begin with, and has very little in practice to do with their religion.

When they try to suggest the meaning is lost, they don't talk about peace, charity or shunning materialism. They talk about public displays of piety and loyalty to their places of worship, which are two things Jesus railed against the Jewish establishment for.

It also sounds a lot better in accents like Cockney: 'Appy 'olidays, guvnah!

In December I always wish people a Happy Life Day.

I've never been able to figure out the contradiction involved. They cream themselves pandering to the slightest whim of corporations, good or ill, while freaking out about the realization that there is more money to be made by being nondenominational.

Oh, it annoys me so much when they say "THERE ARE NO NATIVITIES IN SANTA MONICA!"

No, the city stopped hosting one in a public park because it was becoming a pain to manage. I was there last weekend, and there were already several nativites in shops, outside churches, and I'm sure at some residences. The government saying they're letting people celebrate Christmas themselves rather than getting involved, is not the same as "CHRISTMAS IS CANCELED FOR EVERYONE!"

Same damn thing when they complain about prayer in school and reading the Bible being banned. It's such a blatant lie, most schools have Christian clubs and students who do it every day. It's simply that the school can't tell students to do it, or endorse one religion over others. But that's the same as "NO CHRISTIANITY" to people who think God gave them dominion not just over earth, but over everyone else.

Wiccans are totally cool. They're going to the forest to dance naked and perform secret rites.

You're not invited. Now you are the one who is not cool enough!

"Has the war on non-wiccans gone TOO far? More at 11"

Wiccans DO bitch about these things, but you have to know one personally to come in contact with those views, and it's not as much fun to listen to when the guy is standing right next to you, no Mute Button or nothin'.

The Shattering of Saturnalia

What you're talking about is the 90's, when furries and pagans were the same group (and highly misanthropic, ha!). As time went on, the religion was jettisoned and mascot suits were adopted. In trade for "humans rape nature and must be culled" they started going to conventions and yiffing. It's an improvement.

What we need are more angry astronomers to defend the solstices and equinoxes.