And some are in complete denial that it is even a thing. I was told by a conservative that because it was 900 pages that nobody could have possibly read it. As if it's 800 or so pages of absolute vile only to be followed up by a single page of "Just kidding", or as if nobody is capable of reading a 900 page document.

This is really what the extreme right wing wants and they are fighting tooth and nail to get it.

Anyone who's still in denial and doesn't have the spare time to read it should alternately check out some of the red state GOP platforms (like Texas) that are available online. Just check out the Texas GOP platform. They're basically aiming for a theocracy.

I dunno. They don't want isolationist in the White House?

Is Trump really an isolationist? I wish he was. I have not heard anybody even try to claim that. It would be a powerful argument in his favor. I also think it's not based in reality at all.

Trump has spent the last few months trying to make a very confusing and half-baked argument that he would be more aggressive than whoever is running the Biden administration right now. The anti-war argument for Trump isn't that he is an isolationist, it's that he is not a zionist and is unlikely to be willing to endure any social or political consequences on behalf of Israel. Contrasted with most/all high ranking members of Dem Party leadership being open and proud zionists.

Pretty stupid argument to vote for a totally incompetent person that should never be president.

There's also a huge difference between the old guard GOP that doesn't support Trump and the rest of the GOP that sucks his dick every day. Believe it or day, there's still a small minority of conservatives out there that aren't cult followers and don't want things like Project 2025 to happen.

And no, the crap that was in Project 2025 was not mainstream until recently. I (sadly) have been following conservative talk radio since the 80s and this kind of crap was never even heard of back then.

should be believe it or not* rather

I get the point about an incompetent person being president, but who is president right now? Is he competent? Would you let him do your taxes? Would you ride in a car driven by him? Kinda deflates the whole "Trump is incompetent" argument when it's coming from people that were telling us a few months ago that Biden was lucid and functional.

Competence is also the only difference between the "old guard GOP" and the Trumpers, and it's dangerous and delusional to pretend otherwise. Dick Cheney not only holds more extreme conservative views than Trump but he also fully understands them and is deeply ideologically committed to them. Cheney's career is scarier than every part of Project 2025.

one of these days you're going to learn how elections work and it's gonna blow your mind

Hey kids, what's the logical fallacy implied by the above? "False dichotomy" or something-or-other?
1. Opposition to Project 2025 doesn't automatically make someone a Democrat/liberal.
2. Support/opposition over a few certain issues doesn't automatically make someone a member of either political party.
3. Dick Cheney endorsing Harris/Walz doesn't mean that Democrats now support Dick Cheney. The general reaction was that Trump is so awful that even another awful person like Dick Cheney doesn't think he should be in office. Kind of like in a cartoon where 2 rivals have to join forces to overcome an even bigger threat.
4. Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout...

1. The Project 2025 hysteria is intended to provide a reason to support Democrats.
2. I have not met a single person that is even aware of Project 2025 that isn't a MSNBC-poisoned liberal Democrat.
3. You better check with your party about the Dick Cheney support because you are out of step with them, we are entering week 2 of the Cheney celebration, they have even run a political ad touting it. And like I said now they are digging up other Republican villains to get them to endorse Kamala too. This is what your party is now. You are the 2007 Republicans.

Project 2025 was not created by Democrats. It was created by conservatives. It is a real thing and it is a real thing to be worried about. If you aren't troubled by it you are a moron.

lol oh yeah dude the heritage foundation put together project 2025 to elect democrats, good work, you've really gotten to the bottom of this whole situation and your opinion should be taken seriously

The heritage foundation is the heritage foundation. They have always had the same views. You folks didn't really consider them villains when they wrote Obama's healthcare plan (google it) although the left rightfully did. Project 2025 contains absolutely nothing new or out of the ordinary for US conservative politics, which is not to say that it is good or harmless but that it's the same shit they have been promoting for decades, the same shit that THE REPUBLICANS THAT ENDORSE HARRIS believe sincerely and have actually mostly achieved. It's the hysteria that is whipped up around it that is retarded.

Of course our resident libertarian floridian retard is trying to downplay project 2025.

man who are you typing this shit out for anymore

for real, is somebody paying you to be this stupid and evil or is it just your passion?

Consider this, the powers of the executive branch have expanded over the last few decades. On top of that Trump is essentially above the law. The courts are stacked in his favor and he'll likely face no consequences for his crimes. Put him back in office under these realizations and conditions and he could be an autocrat. It wouldn't work for Biden because he doesn't have the SC.

Because the Dems do not seize power like the GOP does. Remember when we had a 60 seat majority and couldn't pass single payer healthcare? We just aren't evil like the GOP is. We don't froth at the mouth at fascism like they do. We also know that if we do it the sooner they will do it, and if we don't do it it makes it just a little less likely they will do it.

America isn't about being an Autocracy. Or a dictatorship. No matter if that's Biden, or Trump, or Kamala, or whoever is in charge.

*WOULDN'T pass single payer healthcare. Or a public option. Or codify abortion rights, which was a "day one" priority in Obama's own words during the 2008 campaign. Or close Guantanamo, another "day one" priority that turned out to be a lie. And then they made the Bush tax cuts for millionaires permanent, while Dems had +70 in the house and +10 in the senate.

Besides the childishly obvious reason of it being bad?

Because the supreme court ruled immunity "for official acts" for 2 reasons:

1. So they could claim that they weren't declaring the president to be a king, even though that's exactly what they were doing.

2. That it could be still be open to interpretation SPECIFICALLY so that they leave themselves a veto depending on which president it is, i.e. never a democrat. It absolutely will never apply to Republicans.


The solution is to vote them out, or at the very least stop being a spoiled piss baby trying to impress others with your jadedness by trying to convince them not to vote.

Well these solutions are just hypothetical scenarios now because of the way the people that *you* vote for interpret SCOTUS power. If we agree with the Democrats then we are all fucked for about 40 more years, and even then we will only get the chance to fix it if Democrats just happen to have super majorities that all agree with each other, at exactly the right point in history.

Do you have any actual substantive argument? All you have said is 'liberal democrats bad' - and not once have given a single valid reason why.

(typo: it will ONLY be used for Republican presidents)

Just install the Tapermonkey extension and filter the chode out already. There has been no stance or argument for years. It's just spam at this point. Filter accordingly.

Nobody who engaged in cannibalism to survive ever thought they would resort to it even in the right circumstances.

But people don't know what THEY will do in the right circumstances, let alone what others will do in the right circumstances.

If Democrats are unwilling to use power when they have it, and Republicans are willing to use it, then we are fucked.

Like, seriously, what is the plan to deal with the supreme court if not packing or impeaching?

I am sympathetic to the lesser evil argument, but I think we need to recognize that the "my brother-in-law who is the chief counsel of Uber and lead the charge to get gig workers declared not to have employee rights in CA is one of my chief advisers" campaign is not actually going to be much of a bulwark against fascism or defenders of the working class without significant public pressure during and after the election.

The SCOTUS argument always deflates liberals because it's their biggest contradiction. "You have to vote for Democrats that you don't like because of the SCOTUS but also Democrats cannot be expected to do anything once in office because of the SCOTUS"

The Democrats don't have the ability to do all that because they lack the authority to do so. "Authority", in this sense, are the unwritten rules & norms of an organization and/or society. Or, to put it another way, "authority" is the rough agreement of people within the organization/society.

We all agree to stop at red lights, so that's how it works. Yes, it's also written into law, but if we all ignored that law, red lights would no longer work. At heart, it's our collective agreement that caused red lights to function as "stop" lights.

Well, if Biden tried to exercise the unitary executive bullshit that the right is espousing, the vast majority of functionaries below him would throw a spanner in the works, (via whistleblowing, slow-walking orders, resigning, etc.) That's exactly what happened under Trump during his first term, but this time around Trump & company are going to actively replace the functionaries. Yes, Trump & co. also plan on rewriting the laws, but the important part is that they plan on giving themselves the authority as well... by replacing (or simply firing) recalcitrant functionaries.

So you are saying that one party is burdened by a set of imaginary rules that they made up themselves, that are not laws, that most/all voters are not aware of, and that this party refuses to break no matter how dire the consequences (loss of Roe, mass homelessness, addiction crisis, etc etc etc). Because if they did break these rules then unelected bureaucrats that secretly believe in these rules will stop them.

Sounds like pretty much exactly what Qanon people believe. But you believe that this is a reason to support Democrats and they think it makes the Democrats a threat.

No, not at all. The Democrats didn't make up these rules, they were already in place. Some are unwritten norms (your "imaginary rules") but many are actual laws. Most, even! But laws are irrelevant if they're simply ignored. They lack authority.

That's the difference. Most currently serving civil servants give the laws authority. Republicans would get rid of any civil servant that's giving the laws authority. They started the process under Trump, and they're continuing it as best they can under Biden. Under a second Trump presidency, with that douchebag actively championing the undermining of civil society, the process would resume & accelerate.

It's not that hard to understand.

This is actually really hard to understand. Care to cite one of these rules as an example?

Ed Brumila has compared this to the losing coaches in "Air Bud" wildy screaming "BUT A DOG CANT PLAY BASKETBALL" while the dog dunks on them over and over.

lol this nation is fuckin collapsed dude. it happened already

lol smack you're such a spoiled little rich kid

only rich people oppose genocide and are aware of the ongoing homelessness and drug crises in America

"As we say in Germany, if there's a Vice-President who started a war that killed a million people at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Vice-Presidents who started a war that killed a million people ."

The rebuttal to Project 2025 is "this is all mainstream Republican nonsense, where the fuck have you morons been for 20 years?" and the frustration with you people is compounded when in the same breath you proudly announce the support of politicians that have spent decades very effectively realizing the goals of the people that wrote Project 2025.

America is currently experiencing the most severe housing crisis in our history. America is currently experiencing the most severe drug crisis in our history. America is currently arming a terrorist force (no other way to describe them after the pager attacks yesterday) that is currently engaging in the organized, coordinated, industrial mass slaughter of innocent human beings. And you are outraged about fucking NATO? About less US military in South Korea? Holy fucking shit. You people deserve the imaginary worst case Trump that exists in your head and I hope you get him, sincerely.

"And you are outraged about fucking NATO?"

It's pretty obvious he wants us out of NATO because he is a lot closer to Putin than he ought to be.

"About less US military in South Korea?"

It's pretty obvious he wants stationed troops to withdraw from South Korea because he is a lot closer to Best Leader than he ought to be.

NATO is a dangerous relic that was founded by literal WW2 nazis and provides no benefit whatsoever to the US. Why on earth would this even be in your top ten issues? Do you know what year it is?

And NK is a victim of the US. We should not only be "closer" with them, we should be paying them reparations for the genocide we committed there and for decades of unjustifiable sanctions that have locked them out of the modern world.

This insane propaganda being fed to you retards by cable news and facebook is actually what is going to lead to America's downfall because you are hastening BRICS with this shit.

>>>The rebuttal to Project 2025 is "this is all mainstream Republican nonsense, where the fuck have you morons been for 20 years?"

You see, there's no discernable difference between Republicans of the past and the Republicans of the present, just as there is no discernable difference between Democrats and Republicans, Trump and Biden, Transwomen and Cis Men, cats and dogs, or shit and shinola.

Some people are just bad at discerning things.

Seriously, if you were a bot, Crackersmack, I'd have to assume that you were malfunctioning, but I think you must be 15. And hey, there's nothing wrong with that, I was pretty insufferable in High School, and thank god they didn't have youtube back then, or there would be a public record.

While you keep telling us how bored you are, Wankersmack, Trump tried to use force to seize power, and the Republicans nominated him again. That is beyond unprecedented, it's a goddamn Twilight Zone Episode. Trump is the Billy Mummy Character. I'm the father of a transmale, and I'm seeing mainstream Republicans in shitty rap videos talk about how transpeople are "targeting your children", when they are literally targeting our children. Starting to respect the second Amendment.

I only looked up the word "fascism" a few years ago, a grown ass man past sixty, and anyone who hasn't a clear idea of the very specific meaning of the word really needs to find out. It's going to come up in a lot of conversations if Trump wins.

https://tinyurl.com/2x2dzdzf

After one candidate tried to hold onto power with a show of power, and another candidate gave up power voluntarily, your brain-dead musings about how the only difference is that Trump is "rude", have aged like milk.

Vote for Trump, Write in RFK, or Ron Paul, and then have fun laughing at whatever happens.