Crackersmack - 2024-02-25
If the political system that America has right now is democracy, then why would any working class person want to preserve democracy? It's been generations since our system has served the needs of people outside the 1%. I think telling voters "you have to vote for Biden to preserve our precious democracy!" works against you more than it helps.
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rural - 2024-02-25 Yes indeed, why would any thoughtful citizen want to preserve a political system is among the most prosperous and progressive in the entire world (?) Surely, we would be just as well off, if not better, under a Christo-fascist autocracy.
Listen to yourself.
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ashtar. - 2024-02-26 Policy outcomes do not reflect the preferences of the poor and middle class majority of Americans.
Not, in any common sense understanding of the word, a democracy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/23/ critics-challenge-our-portrait-of-americas-political-inequality-he res-5-ways-they-are-wrong/
"The table below shows that strong support among the affluent is associated with about a 25 point greater probability of a policy being adopted (holding constant support or opposition among the middle-class) while strong support among the middle-class is actually associated with a small decline in the likelihood that a policy will be adopted (holding constant support or opposition among the affluent).
In other words, strong support among high-income Americans roughly doubles the probability that a policy will be adopted; strong support among the middle class has essentially no effect.
That’s even more true when we look at what each income group strongly opposes. The table below shows that when the affluent strongly oppose a policy, it’s associated with a 25 to 30 percentage point decline in the likelihood that it will be adopted; but when the middle class strongly oppose a policy, that’s associated with a small increase in the likelihood it will be adopted (again, holding constant the support or opposition of the other group)."
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Crackersmack - 2024-02-26 "under a Christo-fascist autocracy"
how would that be different from what we have right now? what do the "christo fascists" want that they cannot get right now under our current system?
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ashtar. - 2024-02-26 Oh, I think that thing can get *much* worse.
But I also think that things are more likely to get worse so long as people's options in an obviously failing system are everything-is-fine-actually from the center or faux-populism on the right.
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Crackersmack - 2024-02-26 Things could definitely get worse but what exactly do "christo fascists" want to do legislatively (or otherwise) that they cannot do currently? What are Democrats stopping them from doing? I genuinely can't think of an answer to either question. They presumably have control of the SCOTUS for 30 or 40 years into the future, which is something Democrats could do something about, but will not even discuss.
I'm pretty cynical and even I would have bet real money that Democrats, holding both houses of congress, would never allow Roe to be overturned without some kind of legislative response. And of course they did.
For the liberals:
So imagine whatever the next step towards Christo-Fascism is. Would the Democratic majorities we had from January 2021 until January 2023 pass legislation to prevent that? If not, how many Democrats do we need to elect to be able to block that next step? Does the Democratic Party have any responsibility whatsoever to make an appeal to voters that may not be convinced about the threat of Christo-Fascism or Russia or Iran?
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John Holmes Motherfucker - 2024-02-29 I am poor, and old, and I get food stamps, social security, and Medicare. Life would be unbearable without this help, which Republicans will destroy, if they ever manage to insulate themselves from the voter.
Crackersmack is dumber than a box of turds.
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Binro the Heretic - 2024-02-25
I had a boss one time who, whenever he saw more than one of us working on one thing at the same time, would "joke" that he had too many people and needed to make staff cuts.
This is that sort of "joke" in that it isn't really a joke.
And, yes, he did this knowing it would spread on social media.
Most of the people who pass it around will see it as a funny "joke" to rile up the filthy liberals.
But too many will say it is a "joke" while not feeling it is a "joke."
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badideasinaction - 2024-02-25 The term is "Schrödinger's douchebag" - they're only jokes when they get called out on making them.
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Nominal - 2024-02-26 I prefer "Motte & Bailey bitches".
Deep down, these people are rotten children who never matured. The exact same constant pushing to see what they can get away with, the snickering, the whataboutism that's the same thing as pointing at your sibling to try and get away with something. "Sally does it too!"
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Adjuvant - 2024-02-26
Steve Bannon over there and those other people on stage didn't seem to think he was joking.
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Nominal - 2024-02-26 The only core value that conservatives share is wanting to carve civilized society up into fiefdoms of warlords, plantations, and theocratic congregations. Many are fine with not being part of the ruling class as long as they get to be their thuggish enforcers.
The trait they all share is massive projection. The things they rail against the hardest are often exactly of what they're guilty of. They won't shut up about Sharia Law and Iran because that's exactly how they would run the country (but under a Christian banner!) if they could.
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