thats what ive discovered

You donkeys are conflating what Biden would want ideally versus what's politically viable, given a rabid, anti-democratic political party in this country that will jump on any free handout, labeling it communist. And I hate to break it to you, labeling shit communist works to push white voters right. Full stop.

You can take your both sides are equally bad, muddy the waters Russia Times propaganda garbage out of here. False fucking equivalency.

lol Russia you fucking shitlib caricature


you know what pushes people right? when it becomes the default position because there is literally no major political force representing anything else

You absolutely ignored that you're arguing a false equivalency. You can make all kinds of noise, but the burden is on you to show otherwise.

Also, your name-calling turns me on. Don't stop.

It's not a false equivalency. The equivalency is easily visible right now. Is your life any different or better right now than it was when Trump was in his first term with full control of the federal government? The sky didn't fall. They didn't even make abortion illegal, that's gonna happen under full Dem control.

So humor me, what exactly are the differences that I'm missing here? Trans people in the military? lol

you can't have an honest conversation with someone who only knows bad faith arguments. he's here to distract and annoy, not to discuss. people like him only pivot, shift focus, etc, every dishonest tactic that exists will be employed and calling him on it doesn't matter. he doesn't care to be accountable so it won't bother him when you point it out.

*angry jowly sounds*

You always got the feeling from Binro's borderline violent bully revenge fantasies that he would be just as bad as, if not worse than, the "bad" people he always portrays himself as the victim of.

But full lockstep agreement with Crackersmack and Pillager? Bravo, manbaby.

>>>It's not a false equivalency. The equivalency is easily visible right now. Is your life any different or better right now than it was when Trump was in his first term with full control of the federal government?

I'm getting about twice as much in foodstamps every month, and so I'm eating a lot better. Last time I saw the doctor, I'd lost nine pounds.

There was an emergency increase in foodstamps from 2020 that was allowed to expire in September 2021, but then a permanent 20% increase happened in October, so I'm not sure how exactly you're getting twice as much in foodstamps. But if you are that's a good and laudable thing. The average foodstamp recipient gets like $150 a month.

If you owned a home in San Francisco you'd be getting six figures in real money thanks to extraordinary efforts by Democrats, but I guess it's good to be grateful even for crumbs.

I answered your question, Whackyhack.

Moving the goalposts, are we, Smackywhack?

Gmork is fat

We're still left with nothing whether it's Neolib Austerity or GOP BS.

neolib is a meaningless buzzword. the word you're looking for is corporatist. it has no party affiliation and infects both sides equally in positions of power

pretending that the grassroots voters opinions and desires match some of those in power is disingenuous at best

10 bucks says crackersmack replied with a grade-school level insult

Actually I take that back, despite the infection of both parties with corporatists, the left _does_ have more actual ideological merit and a few people actually working towards it within the party. The right is entirely lost, ego-based and appealing to the lowest common denominator at every opportunity

right wing politics is the politics of stupid people. full stop. the left is the only party that has any sort of forward-thinking apparatus at all, despite the hindrances of people who are more about preserving status quo capitalism existing within the party

there is no comparison to how far gone the right is compared to the left, both on a grassroots and political level

Imagine being dumb enough to conflate "the left" with the Democratic Party, fried cheese has control of this man's mind.

Please show me the austerity Biden has enacted

well right off the bat they turned $2000 into $1400 for no reason at all, and lied about it

gonna take a wild guess that whatever cs responded with wasn't an example of austerity

fat

‘Federal stimulus check lowered from $2000 to $1400 is austerity’

well that's just one example; another is Democrats negotiating with themselves until the infrastructure bill was nothing more than a massive cash handout to private business, another is their failure to forgive student debt as promised and failing to extend the suspension of payments that Trump enacted, another would be the allowed expiration of the eviction moratorium, etc etc etc but hey at least they made sure that landlords got $3+ billion and executives get to keep deducting meals from their taxes (that cost $6b!)


oh and they went to the mat to make sure that millionaire homeowners in San Francisco and Manhattan each get an annual break on their taxes worth more than most of us make in a decade

Get more liberals elected to Congress if you want progressive legislation. There’s no moralizing around a 50/50 senate, you tedious little bitch.

You mean like we did in 2009? And Democrats had the exact same weak excuses?

Whatabout

Again, Whackyhack subverts the general discussion with dumbed down-generalizations to serve whatever the fuck his agenda may eventualy turn out to be. If we could criticize Democrats as a seperate entity, that would be honest and intelligent and helpful. But all criticism of anything the democrats do has to be read as conflating the two. it's dishonest and dumbed down.

Democrats know that man-made climate chage is real.
Republicans think that it's a Hoax
The difference matters to me.

Another difference is that the Republicans have embraced their more ideological members. I've said this before, if Bernie gets nominated, I'm all in for Bernie, but whatever happens, we need to create a home for the Left in the Democratic party. I hold Hillary Clinton repsonsible for the failure to give the Left a seat at the Democratic table in 2016, when she had her chance tpo lead the party.

Don't ask whether you're better off than two years ago. The question is if you're better off than if only the Republicans were running things for the last 40 years. Trust me, you are.

John if that difference mattered to you you'd be aware that the Biden administration has approved almost 3100 new oil drilling permits on public land, a rate of more than 300 a month, which is more than Trump averaged.

I didn't know about this and it looks like it checks out. Now, I'm going to agree with Wacky about this issue, but it's probably not going to be enough for Wacky.

https://tinyurl.com/ynt2f76n

‘Federal stimulus check lowered from $2000 to $1400 is austerity’

Before the $1400 stimulus check, there was a $600 dollar stimulus check. Isn't that where the $2000 comes from?-

>>>You mean like we did in 2009? And Democrats had the exact same weak excuses?

The main excuse is the election of 2010, before that it was election of 1994, and if history is any indication, it will be the election of 2022. Democratic voters need to show up for midterms.

Obama and Clinton had Republican congresses for 6 years out of 8 years.

yeah it's almost like Democrats should have learned to deliver something other than lies when they get elected with majorities in congress, or else they get massacred in the midterms

There is no left in American politics; only the hard-right corporatists.

Also, don't forget that Biden has already deported more people than Trump did in his entire four years in office.

@ Gmork, https://thetacomaledger.com/2021/11/15/senator-joe-manchin-a-fossi l-of-neoliberalism/

The dems have been annexed by defacto republicans. $768 Billion for a war budget & no M4A during a pandemic?

The $2,000 stimulus promise in Georgia? Kids Still in cages? No police oversight board? 'Remain In Mexico' ring any bells?

@ Crackersmack Biden's Broken Promise – $2,000 Stimulus Checks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTojAfq_vN0

Boy oh boy, I can't wait for the '22 Mid Terms...


@ Solro Gun or Butter anyone?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/drug-use-therapeutic.htm

Biden does nothing about drug prices

" " " Housing Costs.

https://www.ppic.org/blog/californias-high-housing-costs-incre ase-poverty/

Ditto Affording College.

https://fortune.com/2021/11/11/affordable-college-build-back-b etter-pell-grants/

"@John Holmes Motherfucker " Isn't that where the $2000 comes from?"

No. Biden and Georgia senate candidates directly promised $2000 checks, and then did not deliver. You can find dozens of quotes on video of them saying "vote for us, and $2000 checks will go out the door" or some equivalent.

People noticed this betrayal, and dem loyalists are mad about it because they like pissing off voters apparently.

so biden stiffed everyone 400 bucks and trump handed syria to erdogan and killed hundreds of thousands of americans by botching the pandemic response, undermined democracy at the election level and emboldened the worst right wing groups in existence but yeah totally equivalent

lol in what ways is the Biden administration response to the pandemic any different or better than the Trump administration response to the pandemic? Both focused on rushing people back into offices and schools with basically no protection.

Except Trump gave us more stimulus money. And you can make an argument backed up with evidence that the Biden administration would not have suspended student loan payments or evictions as Trump's did.

>>>LOL, the dems aren't even *TRYING* to solve any problems. They let some bureaucrat torpedo a vastly overdue minimum wage increase without the slightest bit of a fight, but still signed over yet another ~$750 billion to the pentagon even as we're theoretically exiting our most recent imperialist wars? Bombing brown kids overseas is more important to the Democrats than saving lives at home or abroad.

Okay, FUCK YOU, and everyone else who thinks it's cool to begin a sentence with O".

The way I remember it is that the Democrats wanted to give Americans 2000 dollars, the Republicans blocked it, and after that it was 1400 dollars. The crucial thing would be if 2000 dollars was mentioned after the 600 dollars went out.

But come on, let's get real. It's been 230 years, and you'd think that people would understand the conditional and and idealistic nature of campaign promises. It's 2021, and we've still got allegedly grown-ass people talking about presidential power as if all Biden has to do is ride in on his magic sleigh and pull 2000 dollar checks out of his magic sack.

ogh Shiot. Correction

***Okay, FUCK YOU, and everyone else who thinks it's cool to begin a sentence with LOL'

Biden is doing even worse than Trump on the pandemic.

And he has already deported more people than Trump did in his entire four years.

Trump was shit, yes, nobody here is claiming otherwise. But Biden is ALSO SHIT.

>>>yeah it's almost like Democrats should have learned to deliver something other than lies when they get elected with majorities in congress, or else they get massacred in the midterms

This is why people think you're a magaga. When people tell you that something is going to happen in the future, they're making a point, but here's the thing about that. Except for a few rare exceptions like Dr. Who, Nostradamus, and Marty McFly, no one knows really what's going to happen in the future. The technology for predicting doesn't exist. We heard a lot from the Magagas about how the media "LIED" about the outcome of the 2016 election before it happened, but, actually, the media didn't know what 150 million people were going to show up to vote, and who they would vote for, and you're supposed to know that.

Sure, nobody can predict the future.

But when someone says they are going to do a thing that is ENTIRELY IN THEIR POWER, and then they don't do it; they are a liar.

I bet you have nice boobs too Gmork

ohhh snap

typical walking personality disorder disguised as an engineer

terminally online

"Fighting the pandemic is a bad thing now that we're in power you see, in this essay I will"

looking forward to your upcoming congressional run, as i'm sure you would easily solve all the problems with zero unintended consequences

@ TS,

https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/blahous-costs-medicare-m ercatus-working-paper-v1_1.pdf

Wanna save $2 trillion? Go for Medicare for All

And this is from The Libertarian Mercatus Center

LOL, the dems aren't even *TRYING* to solve any problems. They let some bureaucrat torpedo a vastly overdue minimum wage increase without the slightest bit of a fight, but still signed over yet another ~$750 billion to the pentagon even as we're theoretically exiting our most recent imperialist wars? Bombing brown kids overseas is more important to the Democrats than saving lives at home or abroad.

Most other developed countries provide free tests to everyone within their borders. This makes sense if you actually want to manage, much less end, a pandemic.

But the dems don't want that. Anything that causes a very slight decrease in profits for their biggest donors is not allowed.

COVID rates in my state (MI) recently crested at the highest point ever. What are the dems doing about it?

JACK
SHIT

I never claimed to have all of the answers, but by ANY measure that values human lives their performance has been utterly abysmal.

Oh, and Biden has deported more people so far than the previous proto-fascist did in four years. Because he's a fucking monster too.

Crackersmack - 2021-12-09
well that's just one example; another is Democrats negotiating with themselves until the infrastructure bill was nothing more than a massive cash handout to private business, another is their failure to forgive student debt as promised and failing to extend the suspension of payments that Trump enacted, another would be the allowed expiration of the eviction moratorium, etc etc etc but hey at least they made sure that landlords got $3+ billion and executives get to keep deducting meals from their taxes (that cost $6b!)


oh and they went to the mat to make sure that millionaire homeowners in San Francisco and Manhattan each get an annual break on their taxes worth more than most of us make in a decade

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John Holmes Motherfucker - 2021-12-09
>>>It's not a false equivalency. The equivalency is easily visible right now. Is your life any different or better right now than it was when Trump was in his first term with full control of the federal government?

I'm getting about twice as much in foodstamps every month, and so I'm eating a lot better. Last time I saw the doctor, I'd lost nine pounds.


Crackersmack - 2021-12-09
There was an emergency increase in foodstamps from 2020 that was allowed to expire in September 2021, but then a permanent 20% increase happened in October, so I'm not sure how exactly you're getting twice as much in foodstamps. But if you are that's a good and laudable thing. The average foodstamp recipient gets like $150 a month.

If you owned a home in San Francisco you'd be getting six figures in real money thanks to extraordinary efforts by Democrats, but I guess it's good to be grateful even for crumbs.

______________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________


Crackersmack - 2021-12-09
John if that difference mattered to you you'd be aware that the Biden administration has approved almost 3100 new oil drilling permits on public land, a rate of more than 300 a month, which is more than Trump averaged.

That wasn't in response to me, so I'll take it that's a "no".

Not to mention those are retarded fucking arguments from cs

If you blocked him you should stop obsessing about him and not care what he says?

okay alt account or someone indistinguishable from one

literally only the shit posters are defending cs, keep that streak alive!

Thanks for the name check earlier.

/takes a bow/

oh cool if it isn't about policy please let me know the number I can call to have my free covid tests shipped to me, because the last one I got was $220 and my "good" health insurance paid $100 of that

I have the number right here, in my pants.

The Democrats are in power, and they are both utterly failing to handle the pandemic, escalating the war against the working class, and being xenophobic fascists when it comes to immigration.

They absolutely are part of the problem.

>>>escalating the war against the working class,

Can I assume that's a metaphor?

I was referring to the class war, which is not a metaphor, but is different from the kind of war that Democrats and Republicans drool over (bombing brown kids abroad).

nobody here is a MAGA, that's just your shitlib brain worms whispering to you

“I’m not MAGA, shitlib”

The most convincing statement.

the reality that there are politics outside the shitlib/maga spectrum must be confusing to you

MAGA? Lmao.

Look, if you can't handle people criticizing your favorite proto-fascist, perhaps you should reevaluate your position on proto-fascists.

In reality, Nominal is just a BlueMAGA troll.

You’re not convincing anyone glass

Neither are you, Blue MAGA bro.

Okay red MAGA bro

Only if by "red" you mean "communist"

I don't vote for either half of the capitalist-imperialist party, red or blue editions.

You can put anything you want in the hopper, go do it if you're so unhappy with the videos here. Lots of stuff makes it to the front page and nobody watches it or engages in the comments either.

So engagement is more important than quality.

I get it now. You’re mark Zuckerberg and this is the little refuge where you can vent your hidden neocon spleen at the world.

hey I'm on vacation now until January 3rd so I'll see you around

Criticizing the ruling party for their utter failure to handle the pandemic, and their escalation of the war against the ruling class is "culture war shit?"

OK, MAGA troll.

Okay , I have to think that you'd consider an "escalation of the war against the ruling class " as a GOOD thing, so did you mean something else?

"Okay , I have to think that you'd consider an "escalation of the war against the ruling class " as a GOOD thing, so did you mean something else?"

Incorrect. The Democrats making things materially worse for the working class is not a good thing.

I guess I assume people know that more people have died in 2021 from COVID than did in 2020. You know, basic facts.

Biden ruled over the second and current third waves, and all we have seen from him is austerity. Less unemployment benefits, less protection for renters, no lockdowns to control spread, etc. It's an unmitigated disaster.

Trump was awful, but pretending that Biden is better somehow is just lunacy.

Why can you never accept criticism of Biden? Is he your god or something?

Oh, Biden is also approving more drilling permits on public lands than Trump did. Again and again he makes terrible decisions, and his voters just lap it up.

Biden is a monster. Sure, he smiles more than Trump did and doesn't make as many mean tweets, but he's still all about the exact same thing: profits for the capitalist class at any expense.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Why do you have to bring Trump into it? I just finshed telling you that if you stopped comparing Biden to Trump, I'd be willing to listen, but you just can't help yourself, can you? I tell you, in simple direct English words that there Is just one thing you should avoid saying if you want to be taken seriously, and somehow it's the only thing you can say, and then you go off in a huff because no one will take you seriously.


Oh, and listen, when you talk about how the difference between Trump and ANYONE is that Trump doesn't smile as much and tweets mean, you might as well be putting on a dunce cap, dropping your pants, and dancing the macarena in front of all of us.

>>>Why can you never accept criticism of Biden? Is he your god or something?

I'm going to say it again for the thirteenth time. I will happily respect and maybe agree with any criticism of Biden OTHER THAN HE'S JUST LIKE TRUMP:

>>>Biden is a monster. Sure, he smiles more than Trump did and doesn't make as many mean tweets, but he's still all about the exact same thing: profits for the capitalist class at any expense

Yeah, I get it, Biden is a capitalist. You don't like capitalists, and that 's really fucking hard for you. I agree, it's sad. You're not wrong about Biden, but you don't seem to have a clue about Trump. Trump doesn't give a fuck about the capitalist cless, or anybody else. He's not even a competent business man. His power is that he was on a hit TV show for 14 years, and he's got a big
following because of that.

He's guilty of everything that he's been accused of... the Russia stuff, the Ukranian bribes. But he tried to overtun the election, with a naked show of power.

I'm going to stop here.

Dude the last time we argued about this you hammered again and again that the only reason you voted for Biden was because Trump was so bad, and here you go, saying that Trump is bad.

I just don't get why people here gloss over the terrible things that Biden does. Pointing out that Trump did those same things is useful, IMO, because they were rightfully upset when Trump did them! But now that it's their favored proto-fascist in charge rather than the evil proto-fascist from the other half of the capitalist-imperialist party, EVERYTHING IS FINE.

Fucking brain worms, I swear.

LOL.

What would your conclusion be, then? Why are they defending Biden's terrible choices on these policies?

>>>Most other developed countries provide free tests to everyone within their borders. This makes sense if you actually want to manage, much less end, a pandemic.

>If you live in the US, try this simple test. Type "Free Covid Testing" into a search engine. Here's what I got:
>Testing
>COVID-19 tests are available at no cost nationwide at health centers and select pharmacies.
>Find testing locations at hhs.gov

And how's that going for you now? The several test producers SHUT DOWN PRODUCTION prior to the omicron wave, which the administration has known about since NOVEMBER. They could have paid for more tests then, but no, they waited until it was too late.

>>>I guess I assume people know that more people have died in 2021 from COVID than did in 2020. You know, basic facts.

>Yes, but I also know the basic fact that a novel virus naturally grows exponentially. If you think Joe Biden is supposed to change that, YOU must think he's God.

Funny, other countries managed to arrest exponential growth, by you know, implementing effective policies rather than doing NOTHING.

>>>:Biden ruled over the second and current third waves, and all we have seen from him is austerity.

>Also the vaccine. The vaccine. Weird that youdon't mention the fucking vaccine. The vaccine is what actually could and should be taking care of this. Ninety-five per cent is the number I keep hearing for the unvaccinated among the dying and hospitalized, and btw, the unvaccinated are mostly Republicans.

IDGAF which half of the capitalist-imperialist party the unvaccinated belong to; the fact that we have so many unvaxxed is a huge policy failure that rests on the both halves of the capitalist-imperialist party. You're giving fucking BIDEN credit for the vaccine?! LOL what utter horse shit.


>>>Less unemployment benefits, less protection for renters, no lockdowns to control spread, etc. It's an unmitigated disaster.

>All that lockdown shit is what you do when you don't have a vaccine. For most Americans, a lockdown is austerity. I'm serious. Look up the fucking word in the fucking dictionary, bro.

>The reason why you need more unemployment benefits and protection for renters is because of the locksdowns, which nobody wants, though guys like you want to complain about it.

Nobody wants lockdowns? BULLSHIT. Those of us that are at high risk, including me, know that lockdowns are the only way to arrest the spread of the virus. They've worked in other countries, and we haven't even tried it, because capitalism. And no, the March 2020 "lockdown" America edition, was not a lockdown. It was a soft "please be sensible" from the government and nothing more.

>>>>Trump was awful, but pretending that Biden is better somehow is just lunacy.

>Really?

>Trump called Covid 19 a "hoax by the Democrats".

And here we go; this is the real "difference" between the blue half of the capitalist-imperialist party and the red half. The blue half places more import on words than on policy. While they're ranting and raving about some nonsense comment, the red half steadfastly marches us all towards destruction.

>In the most narcissistic moment in Presidential History (one would hope), Trump speculated that the whole global crisis had been dreamed up to hurt his chances in the election.

So what? What about the actual POLICIES? You know, those things that affect peoples lives much MUCH more than some empty words from an empty suit?

>Trump sees something on TV about hydroxychloroquine, instantly decides that it's the magic bullet he needs to save the election. He promotes hydroxychloroquine, at his car crash daily briefings, to the point where people who need the drug for things like Lupus can't get it. Hydroxychloroquine is discounted as a treatment for covid, but Trump won't hear it. At least one doctor is fired from the covid task for saying the truth about hydroxychloroquine out loud, because Trump cannot back down, even on horrible decisions, and for him that's every decision.

That was certainly stupid. I doubt it lead to as many deaths as Biden's or Trump's decisions to keep the economy running so his wall street buddies will continue to rake in profits at the expense of a few hundred thousand dead though.

>Trump decides its to his advantage to make the Doctor in charge of the government response a political whipping boy, so people on the right are still spreading conspiracy theories about "Fauci's vaccine".

Dumb, for sure, but still just empty words. Yeah, those words have an impact, but an indirect one. Much less than a direct decision to give people less money in COVID relief, or to end assistance and eviction protection for renters, for example.

I'd argue that Biden's continued doubling down that we "have to get back to normal" as the pandemic rages has resulted in approximately as many deaths as bosses sharpen their knives and drive their employees into an early grave.

>Yeah, I think Trump handled the pandemic worse than Biden. Crazy, Huh? Sheer lunacy! ("Jerk off" gesture.)

If you look at the actual policies, rather than the thin sheen of outrage and empty words at the surface, you'll see that they are far more alike than different. IMO, Biden has does a worse job in the long run (more dead, less assistance), but perhaps I'm missing something: feel free to dig into the details of actual policy and let me know if you find anything of substance.

Republican voters want racist, aggressive policy and Republican donors want massive tax breaks and handouts, and Republicans deliver exactly that when in office.

Democratic voters want their material needs addressed in specific ways, Democratic candidates promise to address these material needs when campaigning, but when they get elected they just lie about how it's impossible. Just flat out lie in the most smug, infuriating way.

Look at the student loan debacle if you don't believe me. Democrats are keeping an inflammatory issue alive through nothing but their own dithering, and ultimately decided to badly hurt a vocal and influential constituency by reneging on a key campaign promise. For what reason? The answer is that this is what Democratic donors want. They want their huge tax breaks and handouts just like the Republican donors, but they also want the poor and the left to be ignored/crushed. And this is why we can't have nice things.

PThis is dumbed down, and full of hyperbolic flourishes, and seems tailored to snickysnacks agenda, which I've decided isn't a solution to social problems; it's rage and attention seeking.

But he's right about the corrupting influence of political donations, something I myself have alluded to twice on this page. This is the third time. ​It doesn't have to be a joint decision among all Democrats. In a close congress,, a few strategic donations to a few strategic can derail a good idea.

Most major corporate donors give to both parties. Ergo, bipartisan consensus for corporate agendas.