If it's only half working then things have improved a lot.

And hey he's already at it today! More groundwork to reject the election result AND cozing up with the people who can enforce the eventual coup!



"Trump calls mail in voting “the greatest election disaster in history.”

President Donald Trump speaks with reporters as he walks to Marine One on the South Lawn of the White House on Friday.
“This will be catastrophic for our nation. You'll see it,” Trump asserted in a meeting at the White House with police groups. “I'm always right about things like this. I guess I must be, or I wouldn't be sitting here,” he added."

The leaders of the real military are fed up with the endless monkeyshines of General Bonespurs, and they will not follow him one minute longer than the constitution mandates. And the militias will not threaten anyone for one minute longer than the real military will let them.

Trump is clearly playing 7 dimensional Russian Roulette.

Here's my conspiracy theory, and it may not be true. For Trump, the best possible outcome would be for him to lose, but still be able to claim that he won. He went into this thing as a stunt to build his brand, and he has certainly done that. He has diligently catered to his core demographic, while flipping the rest of America off. The polls say he's losing right now, but the polls have always said that he was losing. Trump has never lifted a finger to broaden his appeal. I think that just maybe he's more interested in selling official Maga hats than in being reelected.

And why wouldn't he? He's certainly not interested In being president, he just wants a way to leave the,president as a hero, ot at least a victim

I remember the "he's not interested in being president and won't accept" predictions right after the 2016 election. How did that turn out?

He's interested in whatever gives him the most attention and power. He's also fucked the moment he leaves office and all the protections it granted him. He's not quite braindead enough to not realize this and will do anything to stay where he is.

Initially he may actually have ran as a publicity stunt.

And while the dumb narcissist loves all the power and prestige of office it’s quite clear the spoiled doughball hates work or responsibilities. I think he’s quite miserable performing the necessary daily work of being president, and he’d rather spend his time golfing and being terrible at business.

But because he’s so stupid and so corrupt and really pisses off everyone aside from his dumbest base supporters, there’s a decent chance he may end up in jail after he’s forced from office.

Trump is now trapped in the presidency, and he’s freaking out over going to jail once it ends.

>>>>I remember the "he's not interested in being president and won't accept" predictions right after the 2016 election. How did that turn out?

I don't remember anyone predicting that he wouldn't accept... but I do remember a whole lot of people predicting he wouldn't win.

Trump can't back off, even when he's caught in a lie. He can only double down. It's entirely possible, and widely reported, that he was completely surprised by his victory, and that his crazy ego trip/publicity stunt just carried him along.

Let me put it this way. When Trump loses, he declares victory. It's what he's always done, since he and Fred lost that housing discrimination suit in the 70s. Whether Trump really wants to remain president, he NEEDS to maintain that narrative. He needs to be able to say that he really won, and you can expect him to be laying the groundwork for that narrative regardless of how far he intends to push it, just as he did in 2016.

I have it on good authority it was a publicity stunt (the exact quote I was given in early 2016 from someone I know who heard the actual voice mail he left for about 40 business associates - including someone the guy I know worked with regularly through his nonprofit, who shared it with him) was "I'm running for president, we're going to blow the brand THROUGH THE ROOF. I'll be back in 3 months." That was left for a handful of mostly NYC real estate and investment sorts the morning before he announced his campaign.

You are the most worthless person on this site.

So since voting trump is not an option, and you are trying your hardest to get people to not vote for biden, who should we vote for? Nobody? Just stay home?

Shut the fuck up. Nothing you're doing will have a net positive outcome for anyone, ever.

So I take that as a "No" also.

Your question is idiotic and not worthy of consideration. Your lack of an answer to my more poignant question is telling.

I also have a great answer to your idiotic question. An answer that also exposes the hilariously loaded premise. I just don't see the value in giving it to you. You argue in bad faith and nothing else.

Crackersmack has spent his entire life bitterly and impotently trying to make up for missing out on the punk movement.

Hey you guys should probably be phone banking or canvassing for your terrible candidate instead of whatever this is.

Biden isn't my candidate, he's just the obviously superior choice out of two bad choices.

We didn't like Hillary and we don't like biden. Attacking him just makes you look like an idiot.

The obviousness of which candidate is superior is entirely dependant on your perspective.

For working poor folks like me who are gonna need Social Security some day, who like the concept of public education, who have been personally harmed by police brutality, and who have had loved ones die of treatable medical conditions for lack of ability to pay exorbitant sums of money, to us the idea of electing a guy like Joe Biden who is *directly responsible* for many of these problems and who has spent his career attacking the very concept of a welfare state is just flat-out insane. It's fucking lunacy on par with the way chuds worship Trump.

That's why it's so easy to dismiss you people. I don't need to know anything about you to see how privileged you are, even as you shout "privilege!" at those of us that are abstaining. This really is life or death for some of us, but you cosplayers are the loudest, and everyone can tell it's just about "decency" and other idiotic intangible shit like that for you.

You all just want to make the bad orange man go away so that you can go back to ignoring the rot and suffering all around you. So fuck you. My people have been treading water for years, and I can't wait for you all to fall in and join us.

It's not about "your" candidate, it was the majority consensus on who could defeat Trump. Until the electoral college is gone, that unfortunately means catering to a couple hundred thousand of the most uninformed fence sitters in a couple battleground states.

How high up in priorities do you think "free college education" and other Bernie platforms are to swing state swing voters?

Which party do you think is more likely to abolish the electoral college?

Bernie himself has conceded, is not running, and is endorsing Biden. What good would not voting for Biden do? Change Bernie's mind to somehow get the nomination in time? THIS time protest non-votes will get Democrats to give you the perfect candidate you want, after Trump and the GOP finish irreversibly stacking the courts to stay in power indefinitely?

How about a 6th nut job in SCOTUS to decide Trump can run for unlimited terms and can meddle with elections any way he wants? Maybe allow him to deploy the army to execute protesters? (sorry, “violent anarchists threatening the union”)

I'm not sure that all of crackersmack's opinions are bad, and, for all I know, his descriptions of his family's socioeconomic history are honest. But I also suspect that somebody who resents left-leaning upper-middle class professionals as much as he seems to here is less a leftist that an emotionally-driven Trump voter waiting to happen. If he can justify a vote for Trump before early November, well, I have no doubt that he'll pull the lever. He can do what he wants when he's alone in the voting booth, as far as I"m concerned. If he hates comfortable, moderate libs more than he hates Trump and Trump voters, that's his business.

I'm no fan of Biden's, but I do think that Trump's unfit for office for numerous different reasons. Biden's too old to run, but he is probably more sane. It's a shame that the Dems couldn't come up with anyone better, though I do think he represents a Nixonian "Bring Us Together Again" candidate to a lot of voters out there, and they're of a type that do not post on POE-News. Do I think that many of ideas that Bernie campaigned for -- and that might actually help people with lives like's Crackersmack's -- are politically plausible in the United States? No, not in the short term and maybe not in the long term. But getting Trump out of the White House would remove an innately dangerous personality that neither our press nor our institutions seem to know how to contain. Biden won't solve all of anyone's problems, or maybe any of anyone's problems, but that would be a nice first step while we collectively figure out where we might be able to go next as a country. It simply cannot get better with things running as we are and an obviously unbalanced person conducting the presidency via tweet.

Frankly, I would take to the streets for the right to vote for Donald Trump, if that right was threatened. Also, I support a constitutional amendment promising that Congress shall pass no law abridging the right of crackersmack to suck on my low-hanging balls.

Trump, and the republicans, will defend Social Security. Gotcha.

You're a fucking idiot.

Crashtar’s schtick from Day One has been “Don’t Vote”. He switches up the message as nothing lands — first Biden was senile (never mind his opponent), then a sex pest (never mind his opponent), then a secret conspirator against the welfare state (never mind his shifts over three decades, or the $2T green jobs plan he’s pushing now), or he’s secretly in thrall to AOC (never mind how that contradicts his other theories), or that he’s the one forcing Trump to send federal agents to abduct protestors (never mind how careful this administration is to follow the law), or that he’s part of the cancel culture woke police (somehow), or that he’s had nothing to say about coronavirus (never mind who dismantled the pandemic response preparations the last administration put in place).

Each time he fails he goes straight to self-pity mode, this time with the language of ‘privilege’. If you vote you must be some millionaire elitist!

Of course Crashtar himself doesn’t matter for shit. What’s more pernicious are the shills like him paid to do the same on Facebook and Twitter, supported by data mining aimed at suppressing the vote. He’ll say ‘Russia hoax LOL’ but remember the Trump campaigners boasted of exactly that after 2016 and it’s the same people now.

Mrs Reese and Ms Gribble were very nice, but I think that I wish I were in Miss Henson's 6th grade class, seems like it was a good place. Good post, MH6GC.

Aw, thanks exy. But these stars are for Hazlenut, whose response is pretty much definitive troll handling.

Thank you!! That’s really nice; I seriously appreciate that.

"The obviousness of which candidate is superior is entirely dependant on your perspective. "

I suppose if we're considering 'deranged and entirely disconnected from reality' as a valid perspective then yes, your disagreement could be seen as such.

"For working poor folks like me who are gonna need Social Security some day, who like the concept of public education, who have been personally harmed by police brutality, and who have had loved ones die of treatable medical conditions for lack of ability to pay exorbitant sums of money, to us the idea of electing a guy like Joe Biden who is *directly responsible* for many of these problems and who has spent his career attacking the very concept of a welfare state is just flat-out insane. It's fucking lunacy on par with the way chuds worship Trump.

That's why it's so easy to dismiss you people. I don't need to know anything about you to see how privileged you are, even as you shout "privilege!" at those of us that are abstaining. This really is life or death for some of us, but you cosplayers are the loudest, and everyone can tell it's just about "decency" and other idiotic intangible shit like that for you.

You all just want to make the bad orange man go away so that you can go back to ignoring the rot and suffering all around you. So fuck you. My people have been treading water for years, and I can't wait for you all to fall in and join us."

One hundred percent projection. Jesus christ.

Yeah, nobody is on board with your myopic pessimism and inability to correctly judge the value (or lack thereof) of two highly visible public entities.

"My people have been treading water for years, and I can't wait for you all to fall in and join us"

Not sure what you're talking about. I'd wager my history comes with far more upward economic struggle than yours and yet I still have a different opinion.

Must mean your personal experience isn't a valid reason to take the stance you're taking, if struggle isn't the determining factor in why you hold your position.

Well on the bright side, people who abstain from voting render themselves politically irrelevant (why would any politician pay more than nominal attention to the interests of people who aren't going to vote for them either way?) so unlike the alt-right who are smart enough for strategic voting and coalition building across ideological lines to achieve a common goal of fucking over everyone but white men, the more toxic elements of the Internet left are going to stay more or less disempowered.

The problem is, even yelling from the sidelines they're an optics disaster.

I'm old enough to remember when the left "voted strategically" and did everything we were supposed to; in 2006 and 2008 we elected unprecedented majorities of Democrats to congress along with a young and very popular Democratic POTUS. And what do we have to show for that? A mansion on Martha's Vineyard and some insurance policies with $10k+ deductibles. Good times.

Compare and contrast that with the way the Tea Party took over the Republicans; by being willing to make the Republican Party lose otherwise winnable races until they adopted Tea Party ideology.

obv this is a reply to Hazelnut, 5 stars for my own excellent post

says the lying discredited troll.

Two points: A Clinton response to the coronavirus crisis would have been better than Trump's effort. So would a Romney response, a McCain response, hell, a Quayle response. I can't name another recent major presidential or vice-presidential candidate -- save for Sarah Palin -- who would have done a worse job than Trump. To think otherwise is to underestimate how uniformed and ignorant Trump actually is.

Obama's response to the 2008 financial crisis was lacking, but not disastrous. Not enough people went to jail, and the Long Recession was awful in its own way. But I think you underestimate how close we were to a real-deal depression in 2008. It wasn't perfect. It might not have even been particularly commendable. But it wasn't atrocious. Not by a long shot.

I think Sarah Palin would have been better than Trump. At least she wouldn't have gotten opponent research on Dr. Fauci.

>>>You seem to be arguing against a straw man, or a compilation of people you have encountered on the internet that may have hurt your feelings. And if you really believe the Russia stuff you might be mentally ill.

We've been wasting far too much time on this ignoramus.

>>>>You should channel this manic energy into campaigning for your candidate, if you're really this worried. Good luck finding a Biden volunteer campaign nearby lol

Someday, scientists predict, we won't need to work on campaigns located nearby, because we'll all have access to an enormous network of interconnected computers, an "internet", if you will.

Miss Henson, I just don't see any justification to believe a Biden response to coronavirus would be better than Trump's.

I base this on the comparison to how Obama handled the 2008 economic collapse and the fact that the Democratic Party leadership is basically the same group of people now as it was in 2008.

Just look at recent developments; Democrats are opposing Trump's (admittedly minimal) efforts to increase drug importation from Canada. It's the Democratic leadership that we have right now that created the situation where negotiating drug prices for Medicare is literally illegal. Democrats aren't fighting to make sure the eventual vaccine will be free either; only that it is "affordable". 80 something percent of Democratic voters support Medicare For All and even a majority of Republican voters support it; but the establishment made sure that it wasn't allowed to be part of the (non-binding) platform. It isn't even a distant goal to them.

To me, this says that only the rhetoric would be different if Biden was president. Sure, they'd tell you to wear masks earlier. But that would be the totality of the difference. Biden *is not* being advised by people that would tell him to pay everyone to stay home, which is the only reasonable response.

I could reply, but JHM is right: too much time wasted on this troll already.

This is someone who actually thinks literally anyone else on the planet wouldn't have done a better job than trump.

Trump derangement syndrome is real, and it doesn't go in the direction you think. Orange man bad is the dumbest strawman in history.

Bernie would have done a much better job than Trump. Warren probably would have too.

If we had nominated Bernie in 2016 we'd be talking about permanent Dem majorities right now, instead of whatever all this is.

This same guy mocked me for living in an attic apartment. Lunatic or Troll? I vote troll.

He seems to assume we have no memory. At times I think he’s a bot but I don’t know if computer scientists have figured out how to replicate self-pity.

John you should get outside and ride a bike or something.

😬

conservatives love to make personal attacks when they have nowhere else to go, especially if it involves someone's physicality in any way