""how dare Star Wars be different" fan grousing"

I'm a few minutes in and so far its been a relentless barrage of exactly the opposite of that.

Unless they do a big 180 at some point, so far I'm getting that their big complaint was that it didn't really do anything to distinguish or justify itself as a complete, standalone film and just relied on references to the original trilogy.

They want the movie to be like all the others in tone, I consider that "how dare Star Wars be different". They have a very specific tone that they think Star Wars should be, and this falls outside of that, so they disliked it. I do agree the reference dropping and pandering in these movies is annoying, but saying its bad because it's not space opera feels like it's missing a chance to try different stuff.

Other film franchises have swung all over the map in tone (Bond, Aliens, Star Trek, Hell, even their beloved Marvel stuff), it just felt short-sighted for them to knock it for that. I will concede their point about the characters being pretty flat, which is a hard knock on the movie.

But they didn't do that. They quite clearly state that Star Wars is a narrow idea that doesn't seem to fit a lot of different interpretations but applaud them for trying something different - the problem is that it's not too different. They're also Star Trek people and, like me, have pretty much the same exact opinion of Star Wars fans as I do.

I know - I'd like to disagree on the point that Star Wars has to be narrow. They may be right, but I'd like to hope one can do more than that with the movies. Time will tell I guess. Somewhere in Rogue One was the possibility of a very good, but also very grim and tragic movie that would never be made under Disney.

I thought TFA was a much better-crafted movie but didn't really feel like it was trying anything interesting, so I liked Rogue One better despite worse execution. And both needed to lay off on the callbacks (callforwards?) they sprinkle throughout.

I like Star Wars in general, but I can't say that I'm a super fan - hell, I haven't even seen all of the movies. I hope they make for relatively interesting popcorn films and they can get past the constant references and retelling of the same plot.

So yeah, agree to disagree with them for now, but I hope they're wrong on Star Wars being one-note.

I'm wondering how anyone managed to like Force Awakens beyond "at least it was shot and acted more competently than the prequels".

I always felt there was a chance for a good story buried under the prequels. Scrap the first two, move the Clone Wars to the background where it belonged, focus entirely on Palpatine's rise to power in the first half, the aftermath of declaring himself emperor in the second half, and of course keep Lucas away from every aspect.

Force Awakens just rushed along not developing anything because they had to cram the plots and themes of all 3 original trilogy into one movie. It felt like half fan fiction (holy shit was Rey the biggest Mary Sue), half soulless corporate marketing checklist of references.

I really hated The Force Awakens aka Elvis and Costello meet the Star Wars. The movie didn't really have a plot just a bunch of coincidences. They just happen to meet Han on what just happens to be his old ship. Then they go to the planet that just happens to have Luke's lightsaber and also just happens to be in the same solar system to see three other planets destroyed but not blown-up itself. Po just happens to show up at the end and so on. Rouge One may of had a ton location jumping but at lest there was a reason for them to be there.

The thing that get's me is that before the Rouge One came out they made this big to-do about "beefing up charter moments" most of which fall kind of flat. When Jyn meets Mon Mathma, The scene in the jail cell on Jeda, When Jyn is reunited with Sal, When the get the mission to kill Jyn's dad, all of those scenes needed to work, they could of, but they didn't. The only scene that worked is when the Captain says "I've been do this since I was six." That worked, and even though I didn't like it when Vader was killing everyone at the end, that worked. The odd thing about those two scenes the movie feels A LOT like Alien, and I'm only left to wonder if that was what the original cut of the movie was like, like the first Alien movie, where a bunch of "blue collar" heroes find out a secret that may get them all killed, but first Alien is not a feel good movie, and it's definitely not a war movie, it's a slasher where the killer is a big, black, death-dick and a faceless corporation and you can't have a star wars movie where Han Solo gets fucked to death by a big, black, death-dick.

The beginning was ridiculous. My poor girl, who took me to see the movie, turned to me and just started laughing after they introduced the like 50th planet within 10 minutes.

Last 30-40 minutes are great though, who cares

Yes! Force Awakens was very Abbot and Costello. It bugged me the same way The Last Crusade as Laurel and Hardy bugged me. An overlord of cutesy wackiness. Joss Whedon disease strikes again (in videogames, also known as Nathan Drake disease)

Everyone was a Quippy McQuipster. Poe was Ash from Evil Dead. Quippity quip quip nobody wanted to be the straight man. Quipping even when it made no sense for the character. How the hell is Finn, a conditioned stormtrooper from birth, in an environment where individuality is repressed lest they send you to reconditioning, able to quip with the quippiest? Why is new Darth Vader comedy fodder for freaked out storm troopers? How the hell is Han just discovering Chewie's bowcaster, the source of many quips?

The entire movie just flatlined for me. The only reason I didn't shut it off and finished watching it was for the Redlettermedia video.

Someone needs to start a channel where they review film reviews!!

At least they're not reviewing TRAILERS. That's the worst.

I never watch these videos, but I'm giving it five stars because it pisses me off when people leave one star without even a word of explanation.

And you dorks are grown-ass adults analyzing and carping over grown-ass adults analyzing and carping over the content of kids movies. And, in your case John, you up the ante by analyzing and carping over the rating habits of grown-ass adults analyzing and carping over the grown-ass adults analyzing and carping over the content of kids movies.

Adults have a place in judging children's movies because good children's movies also happen to be good adult movies. No one cares about kids movies that only kids like, they don't become classics. That's why cartoons are so great nowadays. MLP, Steven Universe, and Adventure Time aren't simply great kid's shows, they're great shows.

@JHM: yeah I gave it 5 for the fact that it will no doubt turn into more walls of text whereupon apparently grown men take it upon themselves to write their doctoral commenter's theses on their favourite childhood space fairytale franchises.

@EH: can't see;didn't read. I'm sure it's -riveting- though.

@cenahomer: lol no.

It was riveting. Let me help you out.
EvilHomer
And you dorks are grown-ass adults analyzing and carping over grown-ass adults analyzing and carping over the content of kids movies. And, in your case John, you up the ante by analyzing and carping over the rating habits of grown-ass adults analyzing and carping over the grown-ass adults analyzing and carping over the content of kids movies.

Oh while I'm here...

The new and revised Bawbag's guide to blocking dull, repetitive novelty troll posters here on POEtv.

"Step 1: Install UBlock Origin:https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock
Step 2: open up the settings, (whitelist POEtv obviously) go to 'My Filters' tab and paste the following:

poetv.com##div[style="padding-left: 30px;"]:has(a[href="/users.php?userid=13598"])
poetv.com##td[class='video-text']:has(a[href="/users.php?useri d=13598"])

(replace the user ID number with any user, in this case I've chosen evilhomer because his post-election schtick is boring the fucking tits off me)

Step 3: apply changes and voila, no more comments from that user will be visible. You will still see their video submissions but any comments they make will be filtered entirely. The only visible sign will be a double linebreak where their reply would have been. No more wall of text about ponyfucker cartoons or devil's advocate shit on every goddamn subject.

How does it look in practice? http://imgur.com/aqI6ZJm"

True as usual, Cena.

The funny thing about kids is, most of them have parents. These parents are USUALLY adults, and have to watch the same movies their kids watch,or at least be willing to purchase them for their children. Thus, in order to be a classic kids movie, a film must also be a good adult movie.

People who complain about "adults having opinions regarding Star Wars", either don't understand what such movies are about, or do understand, yet nevertheless make a conscious decision to be snotty hipsters. "Look at me, I'm *NOT* caring about Star Wars, ooo look how mature I am, unlike those dumb fat manchildren on my computer screen!"

Somewhat related note: who'd be the best Gem for a Christmas present? I'm trying to find a Steven Universe plushie for a friend of mine, and while I'm kind of leaning towards a Steven one, I'm open to suggestions.

Yes, truly riveting EvilCenaHoMark. Not at all part of the usual schtick that made me block you in the first place, and now your alt account too. Shame really.

You could tell Bawbag the first few paragraphs of that, too, but I'd rather you didn't - he put a great deal of effort into creating that No-Homers-Allowed safespace of his, and is obviously quite proud of it!

I would not want to make him feel worse or inadvertently hurt his feelings, particularly not so close to the holidays.

Oh. Well, nevermind, seems our nice friend Mr Bawbag has blocked you, too!

It's probably for the best, really, since his trolling was getting a little tiresome.

Right now there isn't a huge selection of SU plushes so I'd go with the Steven one.
Bawbag, I know you can't read this cause you're a bitch made safe space seeking, un-POETV spirited sack of shit, but I just want to say that you're censoring punk ass and fuck you. You don't belong here.

Such a gormless, humorless, uptight bitch. He might as well censor everyone he disagrees with his. He's the only one who's cared about his stupid censoring code. No one else gives a shit about it or you, Bawbag.

http://imgur.com/lT126uE

I figured you'd block me the moment I reposted one of Homer's posts. Nothing of value was lost. Now everyone can see what a bitch you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwDasayClD4

What I REALLY wanted to do was custom-design her a Zarya from Overwatch 3D printed figurine, but the model kept violently exploding off my buildplate, so SU plushy it will have to be, then! I feel bad encouraging her obsession with Steven, but she looks like him and she loves the show, so fuck it. The plushy is hers, 'cuz that's the kind of gentleman I am.

http://imgur.com/GyTDdIw

Damn. He called you bitch-made. You gonna stand for that?

I didn't see it, but in any case it's one of those woefully gendered insults that reveals so much more about his own personal 'str8 guy' insecurities than anything else.

He's essentially debasing himself over my choice to ignore him and annoying a fuckload of other users (in multiple comment threads) into the bargain. The South Park vid in the hopper is just the icing on the cake, which is why I eagerly upvoted it. :D

Please add me to your block list. Please?

I don't recall having any sort of issue with you Nominal, You can add me to your very own ignore list should you so choose. :)

At this point the only use I'd have for a blocker would be to block the blocker instructions spam in every video.

'Every video'.

Totally not hyperbole there at all dude. I've posted it where relevant and avoided doing so everywhere else but you clearly have a sore toe I've trod on at some point. *shrug*

You're free to 'simply ignore' the posts/posters you don't like -any time- and if that fails, there's a UBlock solution right there for you :)

Not that EvilHomer isn't boring, long winded, passive aggressive, and generally useless to discussion,

but as far as what you're accusing him of, I'd say you're the one who's slightly behind SolRo and Shoebox Joe for most consistently bad tempered and antagonistic user here.

Who do you actually enjoy here? You only seem happy when you're spitting venom at a video subject or other user, and are a key player in people trying to turn this place into nothing but attacking each other.

Sorry, I must have taken a wrong turn into Portal of Positivity where nobody fought for myriad dumb reasons until I stopped lurking and started posting here.

Nice try though dude, still not ignoring you

I agree with your comment on 'Force Awakens' btw.

Bawbag literally just described film criticism.

Sad but true.

Is it actually out? My friends and I typically go to see every new Star Wars release, regardless of how crap it might be, but there's been nary a peep out of anyone over this.

Nary a peep? It made $290 million over the weekend and no one can shut the hell up about it where I live.

this is the in-between star wars that will happen every other year.

the main star wars will be next year.




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I honestly thought it was a mini-series until last week.

I agree with most of what you said.
I enjoyed it. Yes, it's flawed, but it was really nice to leave the baggage of the prequels behind and try something else.