If you can't beat 'em, join 'em?

In the spirit of assuming good faith from all poetv users (except Orcs & SolRo), I assume *you* Bort are mentioning the tragedy in Columbus for its own sake and not to implicitly condemn anyone who laughs at this funny YouTube clip.

You're welcome to laugh at this funny YouTube clip if you like. But I'm going to call RoUS on his BS if I see it is warranted.

Why? What happened with RoUS?

RoUS is simply speaking truth to power.

It's a bit lazy to turn to the hidden agendas of people/authors that post content that you can't reconcile with your own personal narrative about whatever subject, be it BLT's or BLM.

Obviously, this woman's rant does not validate or invalidate BLM.

"It's a bit lazy to turn to the hidden agendas of people/authors that post content that you can't reconcile with your own personal narrative about whatever subject, be it BLT's or BLM."

So we should completely ignore how RoUS has gone to hard-core white supremacist YouTube channels to find videos that slam BLM? That's not a factor, not even a little? As RoUS said just one short month ago: "Who's the new KKK? That's right, it's you BLM. Stay classy!"

"Hidden" agenda my ass.

"Honestly, I didn't really give a fuck enough to look at the channel that submitted this video but the video speaks for itself. Blacks wanting to kill whites and the media is totally silent on it. The Black Lives Matter movement isn't a peaceful one, and I think a lot of them secretly want to kill as many white people as possible. Race war isn't far off.

"The white people backing BLM are absolutely digging their own graves. If you want to die, then by all means join this fucking piece of shit hate group. They are the black KKK."

- RoUS's "hidden" agenda as of last month

Haha, Jesus Christ, RoUS

Bort, I don't know if RouS' heel-turn there is absolutely invalid, but it sure sucks in specific.

But it's fully fucking possible that the media could sweep something inconvenient under the rug, as they have on other issues. They have no integrity. So I wouldn't say "going to" white supremacist channels is wrong all by itself. It's the content of what videos he pulled, which we all assume are evil and bullshit of course, but everything needs to be examined case-by-case.

The source may make the content suspicious as hell, but the source isn't the content, necessarily.

"At 7:42 p.m., police responded to a 911 call saying that a man who lived near Franklin Park had been robbed of $10 by armed teens who had then fled in a black car. The victim also was on the phone call and described one of the suspects as carrying a Ruger pistol."

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/09/15/13-ye ar-old-shooting-update.html

Bort conveniently leaves out the part about the armed robbery. It's tragic Tyre King thought robbing people was a good idea. It's tragic he was killed as a consequence. What it's not is unbelievable.

I'll agree that a questionable source does not necessarily speak to the quality of the information. But let's consider that this is one case -- one case -- from nearly a year ago; if BLM were such a huge problem you'd think there would be more and better and more recent evidence to go on.

Whereas Tyree King is pretty good evidence that the grievances of BLM remain as pressing as ever.

GravidWithHate: if the kid was indeed engaged in a crime, then he should have had his day in court, and then been sent to jail. And I'm all for the police taking measures to protect themselves. And I even understand that taking down suspects may involve some bruises, depending.

But the police version of the story -- where the kid was carrying a BB gun and pulled it on the police -- is grade-A bullshit and you know it.

Well, Mr Bort, leaving RoUS aside for a minute, what are your thoughts on the Open Society Foundation, and the historical consequences of Colour Revolutions in general?

I submitted this for the aforementioned hilarity of Megyn Kelly, particularly her reading the quotes with "MFer" which just makes me laugh, as well as the rant about how white people that support their black friends don't matter, and the whole African warrior bit.

And yeah, I submitted the video that showed BLM protesters screaming about finding any white people they could find to beat the shit out of them because I thought that was pretty fucking evil. And it shows you that there are elements within BLM that want to commit themselves to violence. The rhetoric overall of BLM is a problem. You don't see anyone saying that the NAACP inspired them to kill cops.

The fact that orcs and shitheads like him hate BLM doesn't make me feel great, especially given that from the little I know of him, orcs was not only a Neo Nazi but completely fucking crazy. But it doesn't make me any less scared that BLM members are going to pull the kind of crazy shit this woman displays.

BLM has a lot of bullshit on their plate, including getting attention through illegal acts and harassing innocent civilians or politicians on stage, standing in the middle of highways when people's jobs are at risk, marching through streets with hundreds of people chanting to kill cops and yes there is video of this, interrupting gay events because most of them are hypocrites that fucking hate gays, claiming that they can't be racist, outright lying about police violence statistics, and claiming the police as a whole are overwhelmingly against the black community, demanding civilian committee oversight for police trials because that's unrealistic as fuck. And claiming anyone who disagrees with them is racist, and generally trying to GUILT, SHAME, LABEL, VILIFY, and HUMILIATE anyone for being racist that disagrees with their tactics. Which makes me think Bo News started BLM. I don't have proof of that, but it sounds like something they would do.

I heard about the kid who got shot, and it's sad, but I think the fact that he robbed a store with a fake gun is sadder. And it did look real. I don't think the cops have an easy job when it comes to this shit, and people that criticize them as a whole for every news story that comes out often change their tune when they reach a point when they really need the police.

RoUS, I can find more Sanders supporters issuing death threats than anyone can find emanating from BLM. And I can even show you that Sanders encouraged the death threats rather than put a stop to them. Even so, not even I am about to declare the Sanders campaign a hate group.

"generally trying to GUILT, SHAME, LABEL, VILIFY, and HUMILIATE anyone for being racist that disagrees with their tactics"

Yes yes because YOU are the fucking victim here, not blacks who get shot by police -- some of whom have committed exactly no crimes.

You don't like being on the same side of this as Orcs? That's your conscience trying to tell you that you are in the wrong.

Bort, that last sentence is just dumb. Orcs was a jerk, but I bet he also believed that the sky was blue and grass is green. Are we monsters 'on the same side as him' if we think the same?

The mirror opposite of stupid isn't intelligent. It's usually just another kind of stupid. You're generally better than this (I actually 90% agree with you about Hillary), but RoUS + EH are provoking you into SolRo-land.

"Bort, that last sentence is just dumb. Orcs was a jerk, but I bet he also believed that the sky was blue and grass is green. Are we monsters 'on the same side as him' if we think the same?"

Probably not. And agreeing with Henry Ford about automotive engineering would not make you an anti-Semite either. Agreeing with him about the Jews probably would, though.

Side note, the sky is grey, and earlier it was black. Which is kind of neither here nor there, except that "the sky is blue" is a poor example of an obvious truth we can all agree to, since it holds up less than half of the time. Nevertheless I understand the point you were going for with it.

I'm not trying to provoke him into SolRo land, I'm just trying to gain a better understanding of his position. Such as in regards to the Open Society Foundation, and the consequences of the Colour Revolutions they funded abroad...?

It's interesting that Mr Bort brings up the Sanders agitators, in light of the fact that these agitators often had ties to the Open Society Foundation, just as BLM does. Mr Bort clearly considers himself to be adamantly pro-BLM and anti-Sanders; Mr Bort, how do you reconcile these two positions, given that both movements have been heavily astroturfed by the OSF and similar groups?

I have issues with BLM based on the fact that they lie about the violence that blacks commit and insist that there are no valid cases of blacks being arrested. They label the cops as a racist organization dedicated to imprisoning blacks. The hyperbole is off the charts at this point. To them, there are no violent blacks and any violence within the black community is the direct responsibility of white people for colonization.

I don't have anything to apologize for. The new trend now is a complete reverse discrimination by saying that white people have nothing to contribute, that we cannot even comment on racism, that we aren't allowed to have opinions about what BLM does, that we are born racist, that we embrace racism in every aspect of our lives even when we aren't aware. What they want is for whites to hate themselves and fall over themselves trying to apologize for things they had nothing to do with. They also love to ignore the plight of white Americans by PRETENDING that they somehow have an edge above poor blacks via white privilege, which if ever there was a fascist philosophy of brainwashing people, it's that. It reminds me of the counter revolution and purges of the Maoists during the Cultural Revolution, because if BLM were in power, that is exactly what would be happening right now. In attitude, they are there. If they could get away with the same actions of Mao's student purgers, they would be in the streets making white people walk through screaming ranks of blacks wanting them to beg forgiveness for our inherent genetic immorality.

There is a reason they will not ascribe to the peace movement and that should disturb everyone, not just white people.

If you're willing to blame Sarah Palin for her crosshairs rhetoric as being responsible for Gabby Giffords being shot, but not willing to call out BLM rallies for CHANTING FOR DEAD COPS BY THE HUNDREDS and not willing to blame them for 11 cops assassinated and 9 more wounded, then you are part of the problem and living in a fucking dream world.

EH: sorry, didn't mean to suggest you were deliberately trying to push Bort's buttons. You were just doing... your patented EH thing, I still don't know what that's about.

You and I can talk once you appreciate the Crystal Gems.

that should say "the plight or poor white Americans"

RoUS: you wetting your pants over BLM doesn't make them a hate group no matter how much they hurt your fee-fees.

"EH: sorry, didn't mean to suggest you were deliberately trying to push Bort's buttons. You were just doing... your patented EH thing, I still don't know what that's about."

About this: EvilHomer, I don't know how much of what you're doing is pure trolling, but I think it's somewhere between 20% and 90%. I imagine it's a benign form of stirring the pot. As for the remaining percentage, if I think you're asking questions because there is a legitimate chance I have been unclear or they're commonly-asked questions, I should give you benefit of the doubt.

But when you ask how I can be pro-BLM and anti-Sanders, you have got to be shitting me. Either that or else you didn't think it through at all. Du musst mich scheissen!

No, I'm not, why would I "be shitting you"? I'm just curious as to how you square your two positions, given that both BLM (who you enthusiastically support) and the Sanders agitators (whom you vehemently denounce) are at least in part funded by, and working towards the goals of, the very same capital finance groups?

You *can* be both - evidently you are, so obviously it is possible - I just want to know how you got there.

Do some speculating, EH. What things might I like about BLM? What things might I dislike about Sanders? (I've talked about both.) Most likely, the two lists are going to be pretty dissimilar.

Some good points all around. Let's call it a tie.

Well, my *speculation* would be that you were, prior to this conversation, unaware of the links between BLM and the more radical elements of the Sanders campaign (these links were not proven until recently, and are usually only mentioned in sources you yourself would be openly hostile to, and thus, unlikely to read). I would speculate that you, like everyone else including myself, first picked sides on these issues based upon an emotional pull, and that you, like 'almost' everyone else excluding, I hope, myself, have not given due diligence towards the various arguments that run counter to your preferred narrative. Finally, I speculate that the reason you have not been able to answer any of my questions yet, despite having been asked them three or four times already, is because you don't *have* a good answer.

This is why I don't like speculation, and would rather hear your thoughts from you.

So please, disabuse me of this speculation. Give me your thoughts on the OSF's track record over the past two decades, and explain how it is that you fully support one wing of their progressive agenda (complete with conspiracy theories about other users' motives), yet fully denounce another (also, here again, with the conspiracy theories).

If you're sincere in dwelling on the OSF, I am genuinely baffled why. But I figure it's more likely that you're engaged in thing-doing.

Well, maybe my speculation was right after all.

^

^

Man, what are you talking about? BLT is delicious

Since we're on the subject of delicious BLT's, I have a story to share. A friend and I used to frequent a bar & grill where the bar manager/lunch hour cook would freak out if you ordered a BLT outside of the months of June through August. He would get red in the face and angrily tell you that "IT'S A SUMMER SANDWICH!". Once we figured out that BLT's were enough to send this man into a rage, we started regularly putting in orders for 6 or more BLT's just to see his reaction.

The only thing I really know about Black Lives Matter is that black lives matter. An organization based on such a simple, obvious truth is bound to have a wide and varied membership. So there will be a few nuts, and some of the nuts will wind up on Fox News talking to the very white Megyn Kelly.

Even so,

Black people talking about shooting cops =/= cops shooting unarmed black people.

"The only thing I really know about Black Lives Matter is that black lives matter."

Sadly, this sort of thing is a large part of why our world has gotten to this point.

"I'd be surprised except we know..."

Who is this 'we' you're thinking of? You, RoUS, Fezren and 1, maybe 2 of the other exhibits around here is about it for your 'BLM is a hate group' clique, and what stellar posters all of those are! Truly! They add so much valuable content...

"BLT (lolz i am sooper funny guys, look i changed a letter lollololol) is a hate group!!!1"

It's just such an obviously dumb talking point regardless of whether you're left or right, repeated verbatim with barely any thought like so much of the preprogrammed rhetoric from the right over the last 35 or so years.

It's a phrase purely designed to reinforce your in-group allegiance and nothing more. A frat chant to close down any and all chance of questioning your spoonfed rightist dogma.

You 'hating' a group still doesn't make them a 'hate group' you oversensitive conservative pissbaby and if the SPLC can see the clear difference between the likes of the NBPP (an -actual- black supremacist hate group) and BLM, then you'd have to be extra stupid as well as intellectually dishonest to purport otherwise.

Reasons Bawbag doesn't think BLM is a hate group:

- People who say it is a hate group don't post on PoETV very often.
- It's a conservative talking point in media.
- Believes people only say it to end conversations and garner support from other people in an imaginary club.
- Hating a group doesn't make them a hate group.

Great Job!

I thought RoUS summed up my opinions very well. They're based on facts. You might not be convinced by these facts, but personally, I find your own reasoning to be beyond rational.

^That's the exact sort of intellectual dishonesty and stupidity I mentioned right there in the conclusion you so carefully and deliberately omitted you fucking cretin.

QED.

They forgot to arrest Palin for saying that we have to "target" Obama and "put him in our sights".

Stupid 'they'.

"I don't know anything about this, but the slogan sure is catchy!"

~ JHM, voice of the every-man.