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Binro the Heretic - 2015-11-29

I'm just curious as to what Israel's long-term strategy is, here.

I mean, do they just plan to create a "Jews-only" zone in an area surrounded on all sides by increasingly hostile Arab nations then slowly expand the "security buffer" around it? How are they going to maintain that security? Do they expect every other nation in the world to fund this?


SolRo - 2015-11-29

Apparently that is the plan


bawbag - 2015-11-29

Siege mentality in the citizens stoked at all times to keep those in power holding the reins effectively forever.


Void 71 - 2015-11-29

This is just the 21st-century version of what semites have been doing to each other for a few thousand years. Back then, a jew might have pissed on an arab's goat. Now they mark their territory with military technology they buy from America with money America gives them to buy it.


SolRo - 2015-11-29

If you look at the comments of -any- Israel news story, you can see that a lot of them just want to conquor the Middle East because God said it's theirs.

They love calling every non-jew goyim, and the (extremely) rare leftist jew usually gets death threats.


At this point Israel is being run by crazy religious fanatics with a racial superiority chaser and a genocidal umbrella.

(And you can't just dismiss it as crazy internet commenters because the ruling party politicians say the exact same shit)


Void 71 - 2015-11-30

The problem will eventually sort itself out. From a demographic perspective, the Israelis are losing big time. That's why Netanyahu flies to Europe whenever muslims blow shit up over there and practically begs European jews to move to Israel. They need numbers badly or else they're probably going to face a World War Z-like scenario in a few generations. A shrinking minority population can't subjugate a growing majority population forever, no matter how large a wall they build to keep them out or how many of them are exported to Europe.


SolRo - 2015-11-30

Unfortunately they have nukes


Void 71 - 2015-11-30

It's one thing to threaten the Samson Option, but it's something else entirely to go through with it. I think the hardliners are all talk and no action in that regard. Like the rest of the world, Israel will have no choice but to embrace multiculturalism and everything that comes with it. What's good for the goose, and all that.


gmol - 2015-11-29

This sounded odd, I mean it would be a fair bit of effort and hazard to go load up a water cannon with raw sewage (who would have to clean it back at the station?).

Probably just an additive:
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/10/07/palestine-news-network-co nfuses-idfs-harmless-skunk-spray-for-bio-warfare/#

It isn't a pleasant thing to do to anyone by any means, but lets be accurate about what is actually being done.


SolRo - 2015-11-29

Why would the clean it out though? To make sure the water is nice and clean when they use it on Palestinian protestors?


gmol - 2015-11-29

I'm not going to engage with you SolRo unless you admit that operational aspects of loading a water canon with raw sewage makes no sense.


bawbag - 2015-11-29

Does that make it more acceptable though?


gmol - 2015-11-29

Never said it did, just suggesting the discussion proceed on an honest premise.


EvilHomer - 2015-11-29

Of course it does, bawbag! Raw sewage contains a very high concentration of biologically harmful substances - spraying a group of Arab-Israelis with raw sewage wouldn't just make them stinky, it'd make them sick, possibly extremely so! Raw sewage has a long history of being used as a biological weapon, and using it is most likely in contravention of the 1925 Geneva Protocol on Bacteriological Warfare.


bawbag - 2015-11-29

Hmm, it seems to me that 'meeting bare minimum standards' of humane action and whatever-passes-for-decency these days doesn't really ameliorate the psychological effect on those targeted.

It's part of a system of psychological warfare conducted in a nearly-casual way, on a routine basis and instead of discussing that larger issue, no we should talk about whether it was shit or just a liquid that smells strongly like it; like one's a fun party and the other's unacceptably sharty.

Regardless of the liquid, the use of it in this way is the issue at heart not quibbling over what's an 'acceptable way' to terrorise an already embattled population and I, for one don't think it's 'better' in any sense.

YMMV.


Raggamuffin - 2015-11-30

I'm with Bawbag. Well put.


bawbag - 2015-11-29

Semantics only serves to distract from the issue which is 'routine casual terror and psychwar against Palestinians'


bawbag - 2015-11-29

supposed to be a reply to gmol.


gmol - 2015-11-29

I don't think "semantics" means what you think it means. The desc suggests they are spraying sewage, which would be dangerous by the standard of any public health practice. Smelly water is a terrible way to treat people no doubt, but it isn't dangerous the way sewage would be.


EvilHomer - 2015-11-29

There's a difference between "semantics" and "accurate semantics". Gmol is merely seeking clarity, and if clarity "distracts" from your position, Mr Bawbag, then perhaps you need to rethink that position.


bawbag - 2015-11-29

"I'm so glad they chose to beat us with this hammer instead of the golf club" said no one ever.


EvilHomer - 2015-11-30

Well, it's more like being beaten with a soft rubber mallet versus a sledgehammer. Again, the difference between raw sewage and a stinky skunk-spray is not insignificant; raw sewage can cause diseases, and may even be fatal. Skunk spray will not.


Raggamuffin - 2015-11-30

So what? Am I supposed to give the IDF some kind of credit for NOT spraying raw sewage on a neighborhood?

Don't allow yourself to be distracted by a red herring.


gmol - 2015-11-30

No one is asking you to give credit for anything. Only telling you that your credibility depends on your ability to speak of events accurately.


gmol - 2015-11-29

Be sure to get your facts straight to avoid losing your credibility .


Bus_Aint_Comin - 2015-11-30

on a completely unrelated note, i see great things for the "Collective Punishment Until You Love Us" tag


Raggamuffin - 2015-11-30

LEAVE THE BRONX


Void 71 - 2015-11-30

I saved these five forum shekels for you.


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