Goodness gracious, John! She's like Barry Manilow with a strap-on. Seriously, she'd be more interesting if she just straight up covered some of the Manilow oeuvre. Perhaps "Mandy" or "I write the songs".

>>Goodness gracious, John! She's like Barry Manilow with a strap-on.

Exactly!

Certainly no Rachel Bloom, bunt definitely the kind of feminist icon that could sit athwart your chest and make you do terrrrrible things!

She reminds me of one of the minions of the pleasure god guy from warhammer 40k...minus the lobster claws

She's incredibly flat here.. that's not a boob joke. The song's good but this is really hard for me to listen to.

I'm actually a little shocked to learn that you're into Miley, John.

IZ - I'm not fond of her music either - I learned a couple of her older, hannah Montana songs to play at the VA, but that's about the extent of my interest, musically-speaking.

She is, however, ridiculously fucking hot. If she'd start getting into cyber-goth, she'd be close to the perfect woman.

I love you guys but I wouldn't fuck her with any of your dicks.

If she sang "Mandy" TO the strapon I'd definitely be impressed.

I don't know about calling her a "feminist icon" though. It may be true but it seems... I mean... this was edgy in the 60s I guess. As camp I'm all for it though. She'll make a great great gay icon in a couple decades, right up there with Cicciolina and Madonna (but maybe not quite on the Elvira level).

I'm glad she's not in tune, too. Fuck being in tune.

Wishful thinking, but the gays lay no legitimate claim to Elvira, my friend.

I think South Park nailed it on the head, she's going to eventually tire of the limelight and be hounded by paparazzi until her death.

...and I am dead wrong, apparently it is written in the lexicon of all things gay that Elvira is a gay icon. I'll be damned.

"She's really something!" seems like a fairly noncommital thing to say about a woman singing a song onstage while wearing a strap-on.

Actually, I WAS into Miley Cyrus, very briefly, a few years ago. Here's three videos that used to really love. These were the gultiest of guilty pleasures. Unlike some of my other internet faves, I really DID feel like a pervert watching these. They didn't arouse me sexually,at least not directly. They touched me emotionally, in a way that still feels uncomfortable. I will post them here, and never speak of this again.

https://youtu.be/Hr0Wv5DJhuk

https://youtu.be/m-jRHI3INyg

https://youtu.be/3RSlhNJFohI

What she's doing now sort of looks like a white trash Lady Gaga. I'm not into that, but I know she's extremely talented, with a great set of pipes and a raw energetic live singing style that reminds me of seventies rock and roll, at least when she's not doing this kind of lounge stuff.-

She's smarter than people think. When she rode naked on that wrecking ball, that was more than cheesy self-exploitation, it was a powerful symbol of the pain of relationships that the song "Wrecking Ball" was about. Destructiveness and vulnerability, a weapon that feels pain. That it also worked as cheesy self-exploitation, just underscores how brilliant it was.

Fuck the haters. Fuck the guy who posted "human trash" in the youtube columns, and fuck the shitty youtube non-personaliities who dress up in grotesque drag and make "funny" videos about how much of a slut she is, and fuck you, Rich Hall, even though you're generally awesome. She's got the brains, she's got the talent, she's got a lot of years ahead of her. If she doesn't go full Lindsey Lohan on us, she's going to reinvent herself more than once before she's done. Hope I live to see it.

You know what she does actually kind of have a 70s rock vibe...

As for her cultural value, I would say she has probably set us back at least a couple decades with her pan-sexual libertine nonsense, maybe I am attributing too much credit to something so shallow, but I would echo my homie Memedude and say that at the least I get a chuckle out of imagining the cleavers gathering around the old zenith to watch this as the featured act on Ed Sullivan.

"They didn't arouse me sexually,at least not directly." -JHM

That's very interesting! Thank you for sharing that, John - although I am a bit curious now as to what "at least not directly" means. (if you don't wish to elaborate, that's fine)

I'm sort of the other way around with Miss Cyrus, though; which is to say, I didn't care at all for her until she got older and more insane. This is strange, because usually Disney's genetically-engineered starlets have a very short shelf-life - Hilary Duff, iCarly, whatsherface the girl that ChrisChan dated, I'll admit that they start off pretty hot, but they also inevitably fizzle out by the time they reach 21. Miley was the opposite. She was, in my eyes at least at least, completely forgettable during her Hannah Montana years (when those music videos of yours were made). Once she got that Miley Cyrus undercut going (long one of my favorite tomboy/ cute-lesbian haircuts), THAT piqued my interest. Then the libertine pansexuality and that furry tour she did with John K sealed the deal! I don't claim to know a lot about Miley - I'm a casual wellwisher, at best - but she's certainly got my stamp of approval.

I'd like to know more about you and your thoughts on Miss Cyrus, Mr Holmes! Perhaps you could submit some of your favorite Miley-related videos, so that we might discuss them?

I actually kinda liked her when she toned it down: I don't normally watch snl but watched the 40th anniversary special with my parents. They're not prudes but they're like ew I'll bet she'll start shaking her ass again.. etc. and instead it was just Miley in a nice nudie suit singing a very tasteful Joan Baez cover. And my friends in Guantanamo Baywatch all went up to see her, which seems weird knowing their music. I kind of regret not taking them up on the offer because some cool John K animation in the background it was very restrained. I guess I just thought she got this crap out of her system..

Because this stuff is completely pedestrian to almost anyone who grew up around the Internet.

Good point, it's like an outtake from Cafe Flesh.

Except without the excellent soundtrack.

I'd like to think she acquired the Russ Meyer estate.

She's strapped... but not for cash.